Question for the Conceal Permit holders

[Byte Stryke]

I love how some here suddenly become the authoritative final say in who should or should not carry.

what part of "Shall not be infringed." fucking confuses you?

I didn't see any of our names in the constitution as final judges of who got the right.


I think people that tell others they shouldn't carry because they dont agree with them shouldn't carry.

[TriggerHappy]

I love how some here suddenly become the authoritative final say in who should or should not carry.

what part of "Shall not be infringed." fucking confuses you?

I didn't see any of our names in the constitution as final judges of who got the right.


I think people that tell others they shouldn't carry because they dont agree with them shouldn't carry.

Byte, I agree with you about "not be infringed", but I think what others are trying to say; is to not get killed with your own gun and if you are going to carry, be DAMN sure that you are ready to put 2 center mass and 1 upstairs if necessary to stop a threat. If you are not ready for that, and the consequences, probably not a good idea to carry (but own as many guns as you want ).

[Pistol Packing Preacher]

"As dead as Elvis?"

Did he die?

[Byte Stryke]

Byte, I agree with you about "not be infringed", but I think what others are trying to say; is to not get killed with your own gun and if you are going to carry, be DAMN sure that you are ready to put 2 center mass and 1 upstairs if necessary to stop a threat. If you are not ready for that, and the consequences, probably not a good idea to carry (but own as many guns as you want ).

I was going more for the hypocrisy factor.
We bitch about the libs telling us who can and cant, but then we pass judgement on others.
Whose to say the state shouldn't raise the bar even higher.

All conceal carry permits are now null and void pending 40 hours of classroom training per month followed by 40 hours of range instruction and marksmanship testing. This will only be permitted following morality testing and credit checks.

seriously... where does it stop?

I look at it this way, if you aren't at least reasonably effective enough with your weapon to the level of defending your person and hitting a man sized target at 20-35 feet, Darwin rules apply.

[TFOGGER]

My humble opionion, probably worth even less than what you guys are paying for it:

As a CCW holder, I am under no obligation, either legally or morally, to provide security for anyone other than myself and family. Depending on the situation, I might be inclined to take action to protect a group or individual that was clearly under attack, but my first inclination would be to ensure the safety of my family and self, and usually that means getting away from the threat (or not being there in the first place), NOT trying to be some combination of Jason Bourne and Rambo. I don't know if I could just flee from an active shooter situation, but as the Arizona shootings illustrated, you don't always know who's who. A CCW holder almost shot the guy that was wrestling Loughner to the ground while he was trying to change mags. I'd hate to be the guy who took out a hero...

[Ronin13]

This kind of scenario always comes up with my father and I when discussing CCW. He says "What if you were in the crowd when Sen Giffords was shot and you put the gunman down. Are you sure the rest of the crowd wouldn't ID you as the shooter?" The point is, people are stupid, the person is typically a smart, rational individual, but people, as a whole, are borderline retarded. Ask any LEO, something happens and you ask 6 people what happened, you're going to get 6 different stories. It happens all the time and shows how dumb the masses are. You can't present a loaded scenario and try to play devils advocate by saying something like "What if you show up late, or what if this, what if that..." What if you never have a situation where you need to use your weapon? Great! I wouldn't ever want to have to put someone down, but if the chance comes up that I have to, I will without hesitation, doubt, or regret, but the right circumstances must be present, and no person can predict or even try to bring into a scenario what those circumstances may be. It's a very unpredictable world and you never know what is around the next corner, you just have to be prepared for whatever may come up as it comes. If you carry (either CC or Open) you have no duty to do anything you may or may not be comfortable doing, you can become an innocent bystander or an end to a bad situation, it's what you choose to do at that given time and place. If you don't think you could pull the trigger and kill someone, fine, no one should tell you to turn in your gun and stop carrying. The only scenario that has no curveballs or odd scenes where I'd be conflicted to actually act that I've ever practiced and trained for is the robbery at weapon point. Home invasion, too unpredictable, but if a guy pulled a knife/gun/9 iron/blackjack/whatever on me and wanted to take my money/keys/car/whatever I have practiced drawing and putting him down in a swift and accurate manner. It's the only one to encounter without too many variables that can lead to trouble.

[275RLTW]

I love how some here suddenly become the authoritative final say in who should or should not carry.

what part of "Shall not be infringed." fucking confuses you?

I didn't see any of our names in the constitution as final judges of who got the right.


I think people that tell others they shouldn't carry because they dont agree with them shouldn't carry.

When a person can't tell a difference between a good guy and a bag guy, yes, I will advise them not to carry. That person, without the ability to make sound decisions, will end up doing the wrong thing, possibly injure or kill someone innocent, and cost the entire community through additional legislation by gun fearing liberals. They are a liability to the community, not an asset. If you think EVERYONE has a right to carry, then you haven't seen the idiots out at gun ranges or the wantabe "thugs" that use our kids' schools as proving grounds.

OP, just to clarify, I'm not implying that this is you, just answering Byte's question.

[Byte Stryke]

When a person can't tell a difference between a good guy and a bag guy, yes, I will advise them not to carry. That person, without the ability to make sound decisions, will end up doing the wrong thing, possibly injure or kill someone innocent, and cost the entire community through additional legislation by gun fearing liberals. They are a liability to the community, not an asset. If you think EVERYONE has a right to carry, then you haven't seen the idiots out at gun ranges or the wantabe "thugs" that use our kids' schools as proving grounds.

OP, just to clarify, I'm not implying that this is you, just answering Byte's question.

so you are the final authority on who should or can carry?

I agree that there are some serious ass-clowns are undereducated people out there.
Myself being one of them. you may call me an ass-clown but I'm actually referring to the undereducated part, as we all are. No one in here knows everything about everything in all situations.

so I say again, where is the line?

[Graves]

so you are the final authority on who should or can carry?

I agree that there are some serious ass-clowns are undereducated people out there.
Myself being one of them. you may call me an ass-clown but I'm actually referring to the undereducated part, as we all are. No one in here knows everything about everything in all situations.

so I say again, where is the line?

Making an observation doesnt mean he's staking his claim on the final word in the matter. If you can't tell when to pull out your weapon and fire, you shouldn't have one on you out in public, plain and simple. I really don't see how hard it is to draw the line there.

[Ronin13]

If you can't tell when to pull out your weapon and fire, you shouldn't have one on you out in public, plain and simple. I really don't see how hard it is to draw the line there.

I would say if there's any doubt don't pull it out. Take that dirty if you want
The problem is, every situation is different and some people would be hesitant to draw because they don't fully understand the situation. Case in point- the guy who taught my brother's CCW class said that he had a friend in a convenience store when a man came in and shot the clerk 3 times. No words, no warning, nothing stolen. He took cover, drew and waited for the guy to start walking the store and searching for witnesses to kill. Nothing, the guy left. Later he found that the guy was a father who's daughter was hospitalized due to a drug overdose and the dealer was the man working in the convenience store. After already telling the man weeks ago not to sell to his daughter or he'd kill him, the daughter ended up in the ER and the man made good on his promise. Was he right? No, but the instructors buddy made a wise decision to not intervene on a situation he didn't know and chose to only defend himself if the event happened to sway in that direction.