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Maybe we should call this site "California AR-15" what are your thoughts? Looks like that's the mentality around here with some of you! Or maybe that's the reason you left that crappy state????
There are several different posts that should be addressed individualy, but... One guy was correct, laws are "for behaviors" Exactly correct, STUPID BEHAVIORS. Speeding, drunk driving, etc. Game laws, because people don't know how to conserve wild game. If there were no laws in place how many guys here would kill animals with impunity, until they are gone, like deer hide hunters in the east in the 1700's to the buffler hunter in the 1800's in the west....
And the government needs to put their fingers into matters, that is what governments are for. BUT, fingers in the wrong places is the problem. Because a major game with politicians and lawyers is the "good ol' boy system". They will not snitch each other out because of fear of being snitched on themselves. Too bad integrity is a forgotten word.
What the billions of dollars being spent is doing is lining the pockets of "officials". If there wasn't any bribes being paid does anyone here think that drug smuggling would be so lucrative. In my opinion, most officlal assholes think that drug use is a victimless crime..
Oh yeah. I forgot. Bribe taking convictions should be treated as treason...If this is was, collaberation with the enemy is treason, pure and simple...
The proper focus of the law isn't to "legislate behavior" in the sense that The Collective merely outlaws behaviors it does not approve of.
The proper role of government is to prohibit and enforce the prohibition on the violation of individual rights.
The recognition of this fact was the great triumph of the Age of Enlightenment that culminated in the creation of this very country, a fact that very few history books (and almost no conservatives) teach.
Thats right, the role of government is to make sure that someone else doesn't come around and jack your property or kill you. That's in an obviously different class of laws than regulating how much alcohol you can drink, or where you can smoke (or if you can smoke,) or what you can inject into your body, or what guns you can buy.
If you cannot see that a law prohibiting you from shooting your fellow man and a law prohibiting you from smoking in your own home or buying a pistol are fundamentally different kinds of laws, there's just no hope for you. If you think for one second that the latter kinds of laws aren't the source of our current economic woes, just talk to a real life businessman some time and ask him what's the worst part of managing any business. If you don't find it morally repugnant that your neighbors hold the right to regulate every little detail of your life, please move out of the country or at least don't vote. If you don't think that substituting the barrel of a gun (the law) for expecting gentlemanly and ladylike behavior from people has not degenerated the culture, walk down any downtown street some time. I think its long past the time when people advocating these sorts of things could claim noble motives, unless they are starkly ignorant.
If you think that its simply a matter of choosing the right ways to meddle in other peoples' lives, well, crack open a history book some time. Your kind has been trying to find the right mix of ways to screw America over and have it work since the 20s. It doesn't work, but more importantly, its flat out evil. It makes you ideological brothers to Obama and every other statist who loves nothing more than to boss their fellow men around.
Last edited by Pancho Villa; 06-14-2011 at 19:36. Reason: Clarification
Originally Posted by n8tive97
This response is so hilarious to me. You must be living in a cave. You are surrounded by people who are using marijuana and cocaine every day and don't even realize it. The world you imagine if drugs were legalized is already the one you are living in, and the one that you grew up in, you've just yet to realize it yet. Why? Because it's not the big deal that the lobbyists and government paint up for you.
When there is no enemy, then the government becomes the enemy. That is the answer to this thread.
"There are no finger prints under water."
Ha, I knew that was coming, and I did take offense to being part of that "crappy State". However, I'm sure you will enlighten us as to how you would fix the issue and make me eat more crow. This is nothing more than supply and demand period. We can enforce the current drug laws, enact stiffer fines, mandatory sentences for possession, hire more cops, build more jails,etc......
But, you still have folks chasing the almighty dollar and corruption has been around since the beginning of time and is not going away any time soon. Legalization won't stop the battle, but might put a huge dent in demand, and that my friend might be the edge we need to stomp it out completely.
Like I stated above, I'm not for legalization, but I feel we don't have a choice. The sad part is with all the corruption abound, nothing we do will work.
I'm done.
"An individual is only entiteld to one's rights as long as one respects the rights of others."...R.F.
Drugs like marijuana, opium, peyote, mushrooms, etc have been around for as long as we have, and laws against them are relatively new. As far as I know, we haven't been wiped out as a species because of them, nor has our development as a species been hindered in any way.
"There are no finger prints under water."
But if we legalized [guns/drugs] then there would be chaos in the streets! It'd be all [gunfights/bombed out stoners] all over the place! There would be millions of [shooting/OD] deaths and society would crumble due to [high crime/low moral fiber]. The laws against [guns/drugs] are absolutely vital to our security as a nation! If you don't believe me, just read the scare story I just fabricated!
Hey guys, I think I've heard this anti-drug arguments before, but in a different context. Wonder where...
I just wonder when the terrorists are going to figure out that, if they were to spike large amounts of heroin, cocaine, meth, pot, etc. with a poison such as ricin, and then slip that into the distribution network, they could achieve their goal of killing huge numbers of us Westerners. Ricin is very effective, and it only takes a tiny amount.
Think about that. A couple of spiked kilos into each of the underground drugstreams going to major cities all around the world, and people would be dropping like flies. And since it's illegal and underground to begin with, how difficult would it be to stop? Sounds like something the CIA would do.
I think it would be difficult. You'd have to muscle in on cartel territory first. The cartels don't deal in poison; its bad for business to have dealers know junk from x cartel is going to kill their repeat customers.
Very risky op. A few kilos is a huge amount of money; you wouldn't be able to rely on the distribution network the cartels have already set up, so you'd have to set your own up and not get killed in the process.
Probably easier to walk onto an army base and start shooting defenseless servicemen and women.
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