"No Knock Raid"

[BigMat]

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Solid rant, now breathe deep, count to ten and we can continue. To begin, thank you for serving, its appreciated, really.


I am going to do my best to keep above the line and stay polite, if you want an online debate, that's my rule, otherwise, this is a waste of our time and we can just go all caps-locked right now. as a preface- I respect cops and value their service. I love the US, and I don't stand for that to be doubted, my views may differ from yours, that in no way makes me less American or unappreciative of the blessings I was born into.


first- just because America is better than some fly bitten shit hole doesn't mean it doesn't stand for improvement. Are you married? If so go over to your wife, say "I have more money than a hobo. I'm done working cause I'm rich enough." If not, imagine it. See how far that ball flies. The argument is illogical. I don't care about Haiti for the sake of this discussion. They don't have the US Constitution, that's their deal, I do.


To begin with, I disagree with no knock raids for the most part for a simple reason. Back in the fire house we had a line "risk nothing for nothing, everything for everything." What it meant, if a house is burning, no one goes in, water it from the outside, BUT if someone is in it, life is at risk, and in you go, and you pull them out, risk life to save LIFE. A knock raid for drugs, evidence, warrants or what have you is just a waste of resouces and a dangerous game. There is no reason to cite cases as you have google to and I am sure you can find plenty of "wrong address" "innocent shot" "cop shot" situations due to raids gone wrong. I am not a cop, but I don't see why turning the water/power off, and waiting for the turd to come out or grabbing them on their way to their car/bike/bus/job, is less effective as a search method, and then, no one gets shot. If there is a hostage situation, active shooter, etc. go on in with my blessing.



Next- I have a proposition, one reason the US is better than those shit holes you mentioned is the rule of law. Lets play a thought game. From now on, there is a new law enforcement agency, federal level, no other LE ties. Their only role is to track, arrest and prosecute LEOs that broke laws, any of them, on the job or not. No more internal affairs. This agency can bust down cops doors with a warrent, the can tackle cops in the steets, on the job even and take them in. They can give cops speeding tickets or bust them for abusing their code lights. Their role is to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, regardless of the cops status as cops. They can fine them or lock them up. How would that sit with you? Remember, rule of law. If a SWAT team in Arizona, and their CO were suddenly facing a 1st degree murder rap for a raid gone wrong, do you really think the raids would continue? I have a feeling if the RULE OF LAW was applied, we wouldn't see raids anymore. Catch is, in the above paragraph, you can change the word "cop" out with "civilian" and its how it is now for the rest of us. I realize this line of reasoning may entail extra risk, I say that with this thought. My captain said to me once about working in a risky line of work "We don't get paid for what we do, we get paid for what we might have to do." For me that meant flying down the road and maybe running into a burning building/car, for a cop, this may mean drawing a weapon only when 100% sure you need it.


Finally, even if it is rare, and this stuff almost never happens, LEO abuse makes the news, and a raid gone wrong makes national news. If I ran a LE organization I would be really wary. I may not directly control the purse strings, but me and my 250 million friends sure do. Image matters, and it gets or costs votes, and votes are dollars.