"No Knock Raid"

[jerrymrc]

I hope it doesn't get closed. We are all having a respectful debate were we are respectfully disagreeing with each other.

Everyone needs to remember to disagree respectfully

I hope so. It is on the edge right now.

Raise your hand if you have ever done OPFOR training and had a flashbang go off near you...
Same building....

Same room...

what could you hear afterwards?

Nothing but ringing. Same deal as an artillery simulator 20' away at night. the flash leaves one blind for about 10 min.

[Byte Stryke]

Nothing but ringing. Same deal as an artillery simulator 20' away at night. the flash leaves one blind for about 10 min.

Now imagine its 0330 and a bunch of figures are yelling something while storming your house.

my entire argument is that the tactic off storming a house will cause a Fight/Flight response of anyone in the house, regardless of innocence or guilt...
But the Legal system Then asserts that any response is a sign of guilt...

even contesting the no knock raid has triggered a defensive/aggressive response in some.

[bryjcom]

Now imagine its 0330 and a bunch of figures are yelling something while storming your house.

my entire argument is that the tactic off storming a house will cause a Fight/Flight response of anyone in the house, regardless of innocence or guilt...
But the Legal system Then asserts that any response is a sign of guilt...

even contesting the no knock raid has triggered a defensive/aggressive response in some.

Thats a very good point.

Even if they don't use a flash bang, the fact is, when you are abruptly woken up not every part of your brain is awake. Even if you hear "Police!!! Search Warrant!!" your brain may not process it and the primitive part of your brain will take over which often consists of self preservation.

Do you know how many times I have had my kids wake me up from a deep sleep and it takes about 30 seconds for me to figure out what the heck is going on??

[Byte Stryke]

Thats a very good point.

Even if they don't use a flash bang, the fact is, when you are abruptly woken up not every part of your brain is awake. Even if you hear "Police!!! Search Warrant!!" your brain may not process it and the primitive part of your brain will take over which often consists of self preservation.

Do you know how many times I have had my kids wake me up from a deep sleep and it takes about 30 seconds for me to figure out what the heck is going on??

exactly... but in that 30 seconds your room quickly fills with strangers in black yelling.

[cstone]

LE is a great occupation for those who are suited. I highly recommend it.

Many departments and agencies are taking applications.

Walk a mile in my shoes and we can have a discussion about common experiences. Otherwise some of us are discussing what we have read and how we feel, and others are sharing their real life experiences.

Any one here ever had a "No Knock" warrant served on them? Anyone here ever lived next to someone who had a "No Knock" warrant served on them? I don't know where the 50,000 "No Knock" warrants each year number comes from, but it doesn't sound right to me, but I admit I don't really keep track of such things as it is something I do not have much experience with either as the recipient or server.

What a great country where we can debate with such passion, yet still share our common love of firearms. For those who serve the republic in any fashion, thank you for your service. I hope everyone is enjoying the fantastic weather. Just got back from Pawnee and the shooting was good