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    Fast and Furious isn't about ineptitude of one or two senior career law enforcement officials at the BATFE. Way too many "smart" people signed off on this program – including top people at the highest levels of DOJ, DHS and State. This crime against Mexico was committed by federal authorities. It was done to buttress the Obama admin's case for reinstating the failed Clinton gun bans and for enacting all sorts of new gun control. It was intended to plant hard, traceable evidence at gruesome crime scenes so they could use it as political capital against the NRA and other gun rights groups.

    If it wasn't for a couple of courageous ATF whistleblowers, they would have gotten away with it. Instead, these progressives are in full CYA mode. They're actively obstructing a congressional investigation.

    It must have been painful for them to watch to the Issa hearings on CSPAN. ATF field agents testified on the record how gun dealers were concerned and proactively contacted ATF over these straw purchases. This sure didn't fit the liberal stereotype of the greedy, evil gun dealer willing to sell dangerous weapons to anyone with a bag of money and a pickup truck. In fact, one of the agents called the gun dealers the "good guys" in this story and praised their cooperation with law enforcement.

    Anyone really think this was confined to just the Phoenix sector?

    Now with the rest of the LSM finally noticing the scandal, it's time to put up a fall guy. Melson was to retire anyhow as soon as the Senate approved Traver as Director or Obama installed him in a recess appointment.

    It's a win-win for Obama The guilty fade back into the woodwork and he gets vehemently anti-gun Traver in the big seat. If you think for one moment that Traver wasn't read into Fast and Furious and completely on board with the program, you don't know a damn thing about how that rogue agency works.

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    I think I sure called this one ..... bout 11 days ago ...



    Quote Originally Posted by clublights View Post
    You know what will come of this ???

    NOTHING... absolutely nothing.

    Someone up in the food chain at the ATF.. close to retirement anyways will fall on the sword.... they will get fired.. a few others will get bad marks in their jackets.. but it won't hurt their careers.....

    the media will be satisfied and it will all just " go away"

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    Sounds to me like some big money savings could be had for tax payers by shutting the batfe down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper7 View Post
    Sounds to me like some big money savings could be had for tax payers by shutting the batfe down.

    But then who would prevent all those cancer deaths from cigarettes, drunk driving accidents, and out of control gun violence? The US would be like the Wild, Wild West (that we apparently didn't survive) all over again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    But then who would prevent all those cancer deaths from cigarettes, drunk driving accidents, and out of control gun violence? The US would be like the Wild, Wild West (that we apparently didn't survive) all over again!
    Wild west sounds like my dream world compared to the crap these people have forced upon us.
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    Except for all the mechanical giant spiders and Will Smiths running around...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridge View Post
    Except for all the mechanical giant spiders and Will Smiths running around...
    I was looking for a way to work Will Smith into the joke. Thanks for picking up the slack for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuzzleFlash View Post
    Fast and Furious isn't about ineptitude of one or two senior career law enforcement officials at the BATFE. Way too many "smart" people signed off on this program – including top people at the highest levels of DOJ, DHS and State. This crime against Mexico was committed by federal authorities. It was done to buttress the Obama admin's case for reinstating the failed Clinton gun bans and for enacting all sorts of new gun control. It was intended to plant hard, traceable evidence at gruesome crime scenes so they could use it as political capital against the NRA and other gun rights groups.

    If it wasn't for a couple of courageous ATF whistleblowers, they would have gotten away with it. Instead, these progressives are in full CYA mode. They're actively obstructing a congressional investigation.

    It must have been painful for them to watch to the Issa hearings on CSPAN. ATF field agents testified on the record how gun dealers were concerned and proactively contacted ATF over these straw purchases. This sure didn't fit the liberal stereotype of the greedy, evil gun dealer willing to sell dangerous weapons to anyone with a bag of money and a pickup truck. In fact, one of the agents called the gun dealers the "good guys" in this story and praised their cooperation with law enforcement.

    Anyone really think this was confined to just the Phoenix sector?

    Now with the rest of the LSM finally noticing the scandal, it's time to put up a fall guy. Melson was to retire anyhow as soon as the Senate approved Traver as Director or Obama installed him in a recess appointment.

    It's a win-win for Obama The guilty fade back into the woodwork and he gets vehemently anti-gun Traver in the big seat. If you think for one moment that Traver wasn't read into Fast and Furious and completely on board with the program, you don't know a damn thing about how that rogue agency works.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridge View Post
    Just like people called it. Some high ranking guy completely unrelated to the event will fall on the sword, the people who did this will carry on like nothing happened.
    +1, couldn't agree more.
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    Sounds to me like Obama is in the kitchen cooking up a big s*** sandwich and everyone who loves and supports 2A, the NRA, Ted Nugent, etc. is going to have to take a big bite. You can just image the ear to ear grin on Barry's face when Traver is a shoe-in for the job. The wild west would be a welcome change, but we will never go back to a time where gentlemen settled disputes at high noon in downtown.
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