RMGO Stoops to New Low...

[Bailey Guns]

I have to admit that I was running fast and lose when I stated that Wyatt is a convicted criminal. It had something to do with his divorce from a wife years ago.

IIRC, which I may not, I think Wyatt did spend a short time in jail over a civil issue related to his divorce. A judge ordered him to pay his ex-wife a substantial some of money and give her some guns. He refused, never paid, went to jail.

[BPTactical]

Why don't yall lay off of GunSmokes gunsmithing end of business? I rather enjoy their service as it has provided me with amusement and times of saying: "WTF were you doing/thinking when you attempted X".
I have had the pleasure of correcting issues on no less than 6 1911's that have been "enhanced" by the crew at the above named establishment, as a matter of fact I have one in shop as I post this. In every instance the malady was directly attributable to these factors:
1- not understanding the function of the firearm.
2- not having a knowledge of functional modifications that actually enhance the operation of the platform.
3- poor execution of said modifications.
4- poor craftsmanship.
5- incompetence.

As far as their sales routine-I feel that the incident last year that played out on Tom Martino was at the very least poor business practice and criminal at most. Lady X paid for pistol Z. Pistol Z comes in and Lady X goes and completes 4473 to complete transaction and transfer. Lady X is denied and Gunsmoke refuses to return monies paid toward pistol X. (Enter poor business practices here). Gunsmoke concedes to put the pistol for sale on consignment less 20% "fee".
This is where the criminal aspect comes into play. If Gunsmoke consigns said firearm that means that Lady X was infact the owner of the firearm(even if only on paper) and contracted GunSmoke for the consignment. Now if Lady X was the owner then Gunsmoke committed a Federal felony and knowingly transferred a firearm to an individual that was denied a CBI background check prior to accepting possession for consignment.
I know it seems like semantics but a dealer can't consign a firearm on behalf of a private individual if that firearm is still in the dealers inventory. They would have to transfer the firearm to the individual first.

As far as RMGO I have seen no action on their behalf of Colorado firearm issues other than forwarding NRA and SAF emails. They made my "spam" list a while ago.

I would like to see respectful protests forwarded to the Discovery Channel regarding this. Presenting GunSmoke as a reputable dealer/smithing service is a disservice to almost all shops/smiths in Colorado.
They are a poor representation of the industry.

[sniper7]

Hell yes, it's happened! Take a handgun in there for some work, it'll come back out with their logo engraved on it!

I would lose it and demand it replaced right then and there, if not lawsuit would be filed the same or next day.
When you get work done on your truck you don't see them slap a badge on the back of it?

What a ridiculous practice.

[waxthis]

Why don't yall lay off of GunSmokes gunsmithing end of business? I rather enjoy their service as it has provided me with amusement and times of saying: "WTF were you doing/thinking when you attempted X".
I have had the pleasure of correcting issues on no less than 6 1911's that have been "enhanced" by the crew at the above named establishment, as a matter of fact I have one in shop as I post this. In every instance the malady was directly attributable to these factors:
1- not understanding the function of the firearm.
2- not having a knowledge of functional modifications that actually enhance the operation of the platform.
3- poor execution of said modifications.
4- poor craftsmanship.
5- incompetence.

As far as their sales routine-I feel that the incident last year that played out on Tom Martino was at the very least poor business practice and criminal at most. Lady X paid for pistol Z. Pistol Z comes in and Lady X goes and completes 4473 to complete transaction and transfer. Lady X is denied and Gunsmoke refuses to return monies paid toward pistol X. (Enter poor business practices here). Gunsmoke concedes to put the pistol for sale on consignment less 20% "fee".
This is where the criminal aspect comes into play. If Gunsmoke consigns said firearm that means that Lady X was infact the owner of the firearm(even if only on paper) and contracted GunSmoke for the consignment. Now if Lady X was the owner then Gunsmoke committed a Federal felony and knowingly transferred a firearm to an individual that was denied a CBI background check prior to accepting possession for consignment.
I know it seems like semantics but a dealer can't consign a firearm on behalf of a private individual if that firearm is still in the dealers inventory. They would have to transfer the firearm to the individual first.

As far as RMGO I have seen no action on their behalf of Colorado firearm issues other than forwarding NRA and SAF emails. They made my "spam" list a while ago.

I would like to see respectful protests forwarded to the Discovery Channel regarding this. Presenting GunSmoke as a reputable dealer/smithing service is a disservice to almost all shops/smiths in Colorado.
They are a poor representation of the industry.

+1. Well said!

[sniper7]

Also,

before everyone keeps on going on and on bashing and dismissing RMGO, maybe Dudley can get in here and explain why he chose to work with Gunsmoke.

from pure word of mouth i will never set foot in their shop, especially due to the practice of stamping their logo on my privately owned firearm. That would never sit well with me.

But as for RMGO, they are more of a hard-nosed group than NRA, not as big, but they still play their part. Why fight the same groups, and deny money from the groups who fights for the right that is assaulted the most?

The emails are definitely annoying, all sounding like the world will end if you don't give money, but that helps some people cut the check. The NRA sends out the same stuff, in a little less fear-mongering fashion but they also have a lot more money, bigger support group etc.

Maybe everyone should take a step back, let Dudley come in here and speak. I want to hear what he says the motives are before I jump to conclusions.

[newracer]

Also,

before everyone keeps on going on and on bashing and dismissing RMGO, maybe Dudley can get in here and explain why he chose to work with Gunsmoke.

from pure word of mouth i will never set foot in their shop, especially due to the practice of stamping their logo on my privately owned firearm. That would never sit well with me.

But as for RMGO, they are more of a hard-nosed group than NRA, not as big, but they still play their part. Why fight the same groups, and deny money from the groups who fights for the right that is assaulted the most?

The emails are definitely annoying, all sounding like the world will end if you don't give money, but that helps some people cut the check. The NRA sends out the same stuff, in a little less fear-mongering fashion but they also have a lot more money, bigger support group etc.

Maybe everyone should take a step back, let Dudley come in here and speak. I want to hear what he says the motives are before I jump to conclusions.

Well said. RMGO has done a lot for gun owners in this state and continues to hold their stance as a no compromise pro-2A organization. Much more than can be said about the NRA. I never plan to set foot in Gunsmoke but I will continue to support RMGO.

[rondog]

I would lose it and demand it replaced right then and there, if not lawsuit would be filed the same or next day.
When you get work done on your truck you don't see them slap a badge on the back of it?

What a ridiculous practice.

I would equate engraving my gun's slide with sanding/blasting an auto shop's logo directly into the paint on the door of my truck. Same difference to me.

[Combatmatt]

1) It’s obvious that RMGO did not do their research on their endorsement of Gunsmoke either due to the organizations lack of situational awareness or the blind eyes of the good-old-boy system.
2) Reality TV is at best comical, at worst it's the downfall of society by exploiting, glorifying, and promoting poor judgment, bad behavior, and reinforcement of stereotypes.
3) Anyone stupid enough to align themselves with the promotion, execution, or distribution of reality TV will, in the end, be painted in keeping with their decision..........stupid an more than likely inept.
4) Sit back, relax, and prepare for documented proof of the NTAC circus right in your own backyard.

Personally after reading the posts on this board as well as knowing there will be the reality TV idiots and crews at that place, you'd sooner see me advocating higher gas prices than getting within line of sight of that joint.

Just sayin............

[RMGOdirector]

Guys,



Rocky Mountain Gun Owners has literally thousands of supporters in Colorado. Would you like us to research them all, to find out which we’ll accept support from?

Rich Wyatt has been a Life Member of RMGO for more than a decade, when we first created the program. He’s been involved at the Capitol, working with RMGO to pass legislation like Constitutional Carry, oppose gun controls and expand our firearms freedoms.

No, Rich isn’t perfect. I'll let him fight his own battles.


But if I had $1 for every complaint I heard about gun shops in Colorado, RMGO would rival the NRA in funding (i.e. annually $370 million).

I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve taken my wife and two small kids into a gun shop and had the owner/salesman drop the F-bomb (and more egregiously, use my Savior’s name as a curse word) half a dozen times.



Never had that happen at Gunsmoke.

I also know a lot of gun shops who make tons of money but aren’t willing to use it to fight against gun controls (or, frankly, the sell-outs of some who claim to represent our side yet advance gun control). Somehow, they think peddling their wares is the same as working for our side (it isn’t). More guns equals less crime, but more guns does not equal less gun control laws.

MAJOR POINT HERE:

RMGO was contacted by the TV production company, and we had no hand in choosing the shop or the show.

What we did have a hand in is WHO might appear on the show in each episode (which is why we sent out the e-mail).

We thought to give RMGO members a chance to be a part of the show, knowing the character and commitment of our members.

No matter what you say about Rich Wyatt, he has joined with RMGO in pushing the envelope on a huge number of firearms issues. I’ll let him fight his other battles, and won’t get involved in the gossip (Ephesians 4:25).

In fact, in the 19 years I’ve been a gun lobbyist Rich has been active, he’s pushed the envelope, and (maybe most importantly) he hasn’t compromised (which only a VERY small few in this state can claim). I think I can claim that for myself, but can count the others on one hand.

I knew we'd take some heat on this.


But, if there's going to be a TV show about guns in Colorado, RMGO is a natural (which is why the producer called us in the first place). I'd rather have our people on the show than, well, a toothless banjo player (now watch all the banjo music people scream and moan).


Guys, I've done enough TV myself that I'm not drawn to the bright lights like a moth.



My mom has PLENTY of VHS tapes with me on Hannity & Colmes, every major network, blah blah blah.



My ego doesn't need it. But does RMGO (or better yet, our national group, which is growing MASSIVELY now, NAGR) want it? You bet. Rather have people drinking our Kool-Aid than, well, you-know-who's.


Dudley

[Zundfolge]

As far as RMGO I have seen no action on their behalf of Colorado firearm issues other than forwarding NRA and SAF emails

Followed by bashing of NRA and acting as though the NRA are in league with Lucifer or Sarah Brady (assuming both are not one in the same).

Followed by taking credit for NRA legislative and/or legal victories.