RMGO Stoops to New Low...

[Bailey Guns]

You cannot have a convicted criminal in possession/ownership of a firearm... Much less a firearms retail business.

That's not entirely true. It would only apply if the crime for which someone was convicted would prohibit ownership/possession of firearms.

You can be a convicted criminal when the offense was something very minor.

BTW...I still think the only reason Wyatt was in jail was for civil issues relating to a divorce. I think it's a stretch to say he's a "convicted criminal".

[Shooter792]

I'll answer direct questions and comments, but will ignore the name callers.

Yes, many people got a cookie-cutter e-mail response.

I'm right in the middle of figuring out the CCIC database issue (which expires on Friday). Want me to sit around and type an individual response? Some will appreciate it, but others.... Life is too short for them.

RMGO has NEVER forwarded NRA or SAF e-mails. We'll work with them when we agree, but we don't take credit for things we didn't do.

For the skeptics who don't think this show will turn out well (and can't, because all TV is against us), I give you Top Shot.

I was skeptical at first, but my wife and I watched it for the second season and thought it was darn good. Finally, I found something to use my satellite dish for, other than Top Gear and hockey.

The production company is made up of quite a few sportsmen/hunters from Gurney Productions. From what I have heard so far, they're pretty decent.

Bottom line, though: the goal of Gunsmoke, Gurney Productions, the cable/satellite channel, and everyone in between is to make money.

RMGO's job is to build an army of activists who can stop gun control and change Colorado's laws. Our goal isn't to put my ugly mug on TV, or get more ego-feeding media attention.... unless it helps build our army.

I understand why you would do it. But just like me and many others, in the long run you will find your good name and that of RMGO take a huge hit. It puts you in the same company as the MoveOn .org folks who will do anything to further their cause. Ultimately they diminish it in the long run because of their tactics and associations.

I know Rich Wyatt from some professional dealings, his class and from him as a retail store owner. From people who I know in Aurora PD who tell me that to this day he is not allowed within 1000 feet of an aurora substation. The list just goes on and on. I hope you actually read the posts on the AR-15 forum. These people and Tom Martino and many others who haven't bothered to chime in and those who don't have the outlet or didn't get your email, I mean how many are there? They can't all be wrong... or to some extent all right. But overwhelmingly this decision in too many of your members mind stands out as a bad one.

I have been a member for I think some 4 years and sent more than 20 people to join and attend your CCW class I have signed petitions and actively tried to do things to further the cause. But I will not support this. Not because it is a reality show, but because it is a show with Rich Wyatt.

I thought you better than this.

You are in a way making a deal withe the devil so to speak. If you are a Christian then you know where such things end.

[Bailey Guns]

If you are a Christian then you know where such things end.

Now that's a pretty good point to bring up since Dudley mentioned that in his response.

[Cameron]

Interesting info: Gunsmoke's corporation is not registered in Rich's name. I haven't been able to research the FFL as yet, but I would lay money that the FFL is not in his name either.

Actually it is.

Gunsmoke Custom Gunsmithing, Inc. was incorporated in 1996 and Richard A. Wyatt Jr. was the registered agent. This corporation was dissolved in 2003.

ID Number: 19961029475
Name: GUNSMOKE GUNSMITHING INC., Dissolved January 1, 2003
Principal Street Address: 3650 WADSWORTH BLVD STE 14, WHEAT RIDGE , CO 80033, United States
Principal Mailing Address:
Status: Administratively Dissolved
Form: Corporation
Jurisdiction: Colorado
Formation Date: 03/01/1996
Term of Duration: Perpetual
Periodic Report Month: March

There was a: Gunsmoke, Inc. incorporated in Feb of 2006 by Victor Manuel Rodriguez II at the same address

ID Number: 20061047412
Name: Gunsmoke, Inc.
Registered Agent: Victor Manuel Rodriguez II
Registered Agent Street Address: 9690 West 44th Avenue, Wheat Ridge, CO 80033, United States
Registered Agent Mailing Address:
Principal Street Address: 9690 West 44th Avenue, Wheat Ridge, CO 80033, United States
Principal Mailing Address:
Status: Good Standing
Form: Corporation
Jurisdiction: Colorado
Formation Date: 02/01/2006
Term of Duration: Perpetual
Periodic Report Month: December

Now this is: Gunsmoke Guns, Inc. incorporated in April of 2011 by Richard A. Wyatt .

ID Number: 20111256715
Name: Gunsmoke Guns, Inc.
Registered Agent: Richard A. Wyatt
Registered Agent Street Address: 9690 w. 44th Ave, Wheat Ridge, CO 80033, United States
Registered Agent Mailing Address:
Principal Street Address: 9690 w. 44th Ave, Wheat Ridge, CO 80033, United States
Principal Mailing Address:
Status: Good Standing
Form: Corporation
Jurisdiction: Colorado
Formation Date: 04/29/2011
Term of Duration: Perpetual
Periodic Report Month: April

[CMP_5.56]

Big +1 to Shooter792!

I found it interesting he brought up his faith to defend the man's choice to not curse. Funnier still he didn't bring up his faith to defend the outright theft of a woman's money. I'm guessing that is because the whole thou shall not steal thing. I heard plenty of cursing the two times I was in gunsmoke. Which was two times too many.

I dont see a reality show ever painting anything in a good light. I see this upcoming show as a bad thing waiting to happen. This whole thing is just in bad taste, and I for one will not align with someone who makes horrible decisions and treats their customers like shit. Aligning with horrible people hoping exposure will help your cause is an action that has backfired before. I personally hope RMGO comes out of this not stinking like shiit.

Dudley did take the time to personally respond to my second email, with pretty font colors like his cut and paste response here. He actually addressed each paragraph I wrote. Pretty much with the same cut and paste responses he did in his second post here. I responded to each of his responses, but since my first act was to rib him about his color fonts I take it he is no longer talking to me.

I will admit, I take the color scheme thing a bit personal. He stated his responses were different color. I take that as him thinking I'm an idiot who can't understand quotation marks.

In the end I feel this will turn out badly for RMGO, I hope it doesn't.

[TFOGGER]

That's not entirely true. It would only apply if the crime for which someone was convicted would prohibit ownership/possession of firearms.

You can be a convicted criminal when the offense was something very minor.

BTW...I still think the only reason Wyatt was in jail was for civil issues relating to a divorce. I think it's a stretch to say he's a "convicted criminal".

Contempt of Court, essentially:

From the Canyon Courier (http://www.canyoncourier.com/article...s/news03.txt):

Saturday, February 12, 2005

Former sheriff's candidate being held in jail

by Jonathan Ellis

GOLDEN— A former candidate for Jefferson County sheriff is now a resident in the county jail.

Rich Wyatt was arrested Feb. 2 by the county's fugitive team in Wheat Ridge after he failed to comply with a judge's orders in a divorce case. The arrest occurred without incident in Wyatt's gun store.

"As I understand it, he was very cooperative," Sheriff Ted Mink said.

Wyatt's stay in the jail - compliments of county taxpayers - could extend to six months after he failed to pay his ex-wife $90,000 that he owed her from a divorce settlement. A judge also ordered him to give the ex-wife, Rebecca Wyatt, two expensive firearms, but Wyatt also refused that order.

Wyatt could be released in fewer than six months if he behaves.

"He can't get out on bail," sheriff's spokeswoman Jacki Tallman said. "But he might get good time. It's up to the sheriff's office. It's based on his behavior and other indicators."

George Johnson, Rebecca Wyatt's attorney, said Wyatt can leave jail early if he pays the money and returns the firearms.

"Any time he pays up, he's released," Johnson said. "If he doesn't pay up he still has to do the six months."

Wyatt still must pay the money even if he completes the six months, or he could face another jail sentence, Johnson said.

Wyatt was one of several Republicans who ran to replace Sheriff John Stone in 2002. He finished second in votes at the county assembly, but failed to garner enough support to advance to the primary.

He later filed a lawsuit in an attempt to derail Russ Cook's candidacy. The lawsuit was dismissed and Cook went on to win the office.

Wyatt told the Courier last year that he intends to run for sheriff again.

Wyatt, 41, is also a handgun instructor and firearms dealer. As a candidate, he favored permissive laws for concealed weapon permits.

In 2002, Wyatt bought an ad in Soldier of Fortune magazine offering a $100,000 reward to anybody who killed Osama bin Laden with one of his rifles.

Wyatt argued in court last year that he didn't have enough money to pay Rebecca Wyatt $90,000.

But a judge disagreed, saying Wyatt could access money from some of the property he owned to pay the debt. The judge gave Wyatt until the end of January to make good on the amount.

Wyatt's divorce hearings were anything but ordinary. He was ordered to turn over about 100 nude photographs of Rebecca Wyatt. When he did, some of the photographs were marked with lewd comments or torn.

Wyatt also demanded that Johnson be arrested for destroying evidence. Wyatt said Johnson destroyed evidence when he threw away pieces of some of the torn photographs in a court trash can.

Authorities declined to pursue charges against Johnson.

[stevelkinevil]

Frankly from what I have read and been warned about in person this Wyatt guy is a turd. HOWEVER I don't think its fair to paint the man as a convict because he didn't want to hand his ex-wife a bunch of money. If anything just stick to painting him (and rightfully so) as a crook for stealing that customers money, and as a lousy businessman for all the reasons mentioned, leave the guys reluctance to hand over his money to an ex out of it.

[Irving]

I don't have a problem with not wanting to give his ex money. Nor do I dislike how Rich pushes the envelope with laws he doesn't agree with. If it weren't for Gunsmokes shady as hell business practices, AND the way they treated me (and others) in the store, I'd probably be a Rich Wyatt fan.

[Byte Stryke]

Frankly from what I have read and been warned about in person this Wyatt guy is a turd. HOWEVER I don't think its fair to paint the man as a convict because he didn't want to hand his ex-wife a bunch of money. If anything just stick to painting him (and rightfully so) as a crook for stealing that customers money, and as a lousy businessman for all the reasons mentioned, leave the guys reluctance to hand over his money to an ex out of it.

yeah, because its OK to disobey a legal judgement from a duly appointed Judge.

[stevelkinevil]

yeah, because its OK to disobey a legal judgement from a duly appointed Judge.

Yeah, on occasion. Listen man, I again am not arguing the point that the guy is in all likelihood a complete douche. However simply because a "duly appointed" judge says you must do something doesn't make it correct, especially in a civil matter. The man did not steal anything (in this case anyway) and I have a fundamental disagreement with a court ordering an adult to support another adult simply by virtue of that person having had a relationship with them. Child support? different matter entirely (although I still don't make my ex pay it after 8 years). My point being that lets not paint the man as a hardened criminal because he did not feel that another grown adult held claim to money he earned. On the other hand, ripping folks off for services not rendered or not properly rendered? THAT is a criminal act for which I am 100% on board with him being prosecuted for and it sounds like he makes a habit of it.

Edit* BTW byte I am in complete agreement with you on the "show". I cannot imagine a scenario where this does anything but serve to tarnish the image of gun owners as a whole.