RMGO Stoops to New Low...

[ZombieKiller25]

Congrats Dudley for siding with one of the worst companies here. Doesn't matter if he bought you off by buying your lifetime membership, his shop and personality are still horrible.

You'll never see another dime from me. Your 10's of thousands of supporters is now down a couple due to your poor decisions. Hope it was worth it for you!

[Ronin13]

Congrats Dudley for siding with one of the worst companies here. Doesn't matter if he bought you off by buying your lifetime membership, his shop and personality are still horrible.

You'll never see another dime from me. Your 10's of thousands of supporters is now down a couple due to your poor decisions. Hope it was worth it for you!

Bad judgement and associates is what eventually was the final push to decide NOT to join RMGO. If Dudley is making friends with guys like this, and letting these kinds of people, business owners, and gun owners it makes me wonder who else he'd let join the cause and help to "fight the good fight." I don't want Rich Wyatt taking his ideas to our lawmakers and representing the gun public with his terrible business practices. I guess Dudley never was informed of the old adage "Guilty by association." Any law enforcement or legal beagle will tell you, 75% of who you are is influenced by the company you keep.

[Ranger]

If Dudley is making friends with guys like this, and letting these kinds of people, business owners, and gun owners it makes me wonder who else he'd let join the cause and help to "fight the good fight."

I can see your point absolutely Ronin. But on the other hand how many low life scumbags contribute to the National Cancer Association? Should they then be demonized for that? Hey, I don't know Rich Wyatt, but by all appearances he seems to be a bad business person - but if his $5K is helping pave the way for me to open carry in Denver then do I really care? This is my opinion of course, and I don't pass judgement on yours but - for me - a $5K donation to Breast Cancer Research given by a mob boss who killed 20 people is still a donation to fight breast cancer.

I don't want Rich Wyatt taking his ideas to our lawmakers and representing the gun public with his terrible business practices.

I don't see how he'll do this because of RMGO. It appears to me that whether RMGO is involved or not, this Wyatt character has been hobnobbing with politicians for some time all on his own (judging by his "me wall").

Also, think on the flip side of things. If this show airs (and that is still an unknown at this point), and this douche brands his company name on firearms from clients then how fast do you think people in Colorado will be to NOT bring their weapons to him? Blessing in disguise I say - if his business practice is slipshod then it'll be on national television and he'll have a business no more. Seems like a good thing to me.

I guess Dudley never was informed of the old adage "Guilty by association." Any law enforcement or legal beagle will tell you, 75% of who you are is influenced by the company you keep.

I agree to a large extent (and obviously disagree by a small one). If Dudley is pal'ing around with Wyatt and is making him his right arm in his political dealings then we have a problem. I don't get the sense that this is the case, I feel like Wyatt is just another contributor - and someone who does appear to be in political circles and if you know this business (and I do a lot in this business) then you know that a lot of politicians are dirty somehow.

I'm not blowing RMGO's horn here, but I think this whole thread has gone crazy with how RMGO is guilty by association and thus the scourge of the earth. Rich Wyatt appears to be someone I wouldn't want to do business with but RMGO didn't create him or the show. RMGO's got it's issues, no disputing that, but without someone LIKE THEM we, as gun owners, have a bit smaller voice in Colorado.

I respect the fact that Dudley came here and defended his decision. Right or wrong he did that and I give him credit. I don't see Rich Wyatt on here doing that (could you imagine THAT thread?).

[Molon_Labe-1775]

DUMP WYATT


Get Alan of Machine gun tours.


I *might* take you seriously

I like RMGO and NAGR, I'm a member. But I could agree more about this.

Wyatt is a tool of the highest order, that being said I'm not going to dump someone fighting for one of our most important rights we have as citizens of this country. I will however never watch a show were GunSmoke or Wyatt is a part of.

[Delfuego]

+ 1 for Alan! He could make it a lot more interesting with all the class III toys of his.

[CMP_5.56]

I can see your point absolutely Ronin. But on the other hand how many low life scumbags contribute to the National Cancer Association? Should they then be demonized for that? Hey, I don't know Rich Wyatt, but by all appearances he seems to be a bad business person - but if his $5K is helping pave the way for me to open carry in Denver then do I really care? This is my opinion of course, and I don't pass judgement on yours but - for me - a $5K donation to Breast Cancer Research given by a mob boss who killed 20 people is still a donation to fight breast cancer

If a large organization like National Cancer Society takes a scumbags money, then so be it. But this situation is more like the National Cancer Society siding with asbestos manufacturing companies for a televised marathon! It's one thing to take anyones donations, and quite another to take a very public stand next to someone who is known for poor business practices and to be honest has been stung by investigative journalists, showing publicly that he is an outright thief!

[Ranger]

But this situation is more like the National Cancer Society siding with asbestos manufacturing companies for a televised marathon!

I don't totally agree but I do completely see your point.

[hollohas]

If this was a new TV show about Americans who love firearms and all aspects of the shooting sports, and focused ON those Americans and those sports, I think we'd all be all for it.

Tell the story about how and why our forefathers used and needed firearms, and why their ownership was written into our Constitution (2A).

Tell about all the uses for guns of all kinds, from plinking at cans with .22's to hunting the biggest game in North America.

Educate the public that guns are NOT just for killing other people with. Design a show around this premise.

Cover everything, from Boy Scout BB gun classes to trap shooting to CMP matches.

Interview collectors and find out why people love to collect and shoot old military rifles. Explain why some of us want/need more than one rifle or pistol, and why some of us have dozens of "the same one", such as Garands, M1 carbines, 1911's, Enfields, Mosins, shotguns, precision rifles, etc.

Go to machine gun shoots and cover those, and interview the people that go. Tell the world why we love to shoot them. Explain the rules of ownership and the costs involved.

Visit with CCW carriers and trainers, tell the story of why Americans feel the need to carry weapons to protect ourselves from the scum amongst us. Talk to people about the Open Carry movement, educate the public that it's NOT illegal to do it, and those that do are NOT "cowboys". Tell the stories from a real perspective.

Visit with REAL gunsmiths, not "personalities", and ask 'em what makes guns and ammo tick. Educate the world about all the various firearms and ammunition. Hell, they could do a whole episode just on reloading and bullet casting, and those of us that love to do it!

Visit with firearms manufacturers to show how they're made. Visit with custom gunmakers (again, NOT egotistical "personalities" who build wierd shit that scares people) and showcase the ART of fine firearms.

Cover some gun clubs and ranges, and how things are supposed to be done. The Four Rules, range ettiquete (sp?), etc. Show kids shooting and being trained, interview the kids for their viewpoints.

Show the trash dumps and Bubba Ranges where people shoot up trash and leave it, and educate people that this is NOT what our sport is about, and these are NOT responsible gun owners. Turn the spotlight on the clowns, and maybe those who ARE those clowns or know them will change their ways a little. Nobody really wants to be known as a dickhead.

And of course, a major theme of the show should be telling the story of the ongoing struggle to KEEP our rights of gun ownership, and the pursuit of the sports we love and enjoy. And our rights to carry weapons and defend ourselves, our families, and each other from the criminals that infest our society and seek to victimize us. Turn the spotlight on those in Washington who endeavor to strip our firearms and our rights away from us, go interview them and ask them WHY? We know who most of them are, the rest of America needs to know also!

We could build on this list for days, but I think I've made the point.

I don't know, but I think a new series COULD be a good thing, if it was done right. But dragging in assholes like Wyatt to be "personalities" to speak for us ain't gonna cut it.

This show is already on TV. It's called Shooting USA and covers ALL of what you just suggested. It is on Outdoor Channel on Wednesdays. Other shows on that channel on the same day that cover these topics in depth as well:

-Shooting Gallery
-The Gun Nuts
-Midway USA's Gun Stories
-American Rifleman TV
-The Best Defense

History, CCW, self defense, legislation, laws, legal advice, competitions, ranges, training facilities, factory visits, reloading tips, gun smithing tips, machine gun shoots, trade shows, new products...I have seen it all on these shows.

There you have 3.5 hours of shooting TV that actually loves and promotes our firearms passion. None of it is so-called "reality" tv.

[Ronin13]

I can see your point absolutely Ronin. But on the other hand how many low life scumbags contribute to the National Cancer Association? Should they then be demonized for that? Hey, I don't know Rich Wyatt, but by all appearances he seems to be a bad business person - but if his $5K is helping pave the way for me to open carry in Denver then do I really care? This is my opinion of course, and I don't pass judgement on yours but - for me - a $5K donation to Breast Cancer Research given by a mob boss who killed 20 people is still a donation to fight breast cancer.

So if you had a non-profit and the head of a major drug cartel donated $10K, you'd accept it? Even if the money came stained with the blood of innocent people? I hate to say it, but that's how politicians lose elections and nearly end up in prison. I'm not saying Wyatt is as bad as a drug cartel boss, but any association with him by RMGO can't put them in a good light. If I hung out with nothing but drug dealers and criminals I would automatically be labeled a criminal/drug dealer. I'm not saying RMGO should be super nit-picky but jeez, letting a guy like Wyatt be apart of their org and representing them is not good for business. It's like I learned in the Army, you may not be a spokesperson for the Army, but every time you wear the uniform you are representing us and every time you do something bad you shine a bad light on the Army.

[RMGOdirector]

RMGO has refused the membership of quite a few scumbags, some of them anti-gun politicians (who thought they could buy RMGO's support).

There are also QUITE a few number of people who have joined RMGO whom I vehemently disagree on many issues, and I have to shut my big pie hole, since they joined RMGO to defend their gun rights. I know of one particular.... er, transsexual. No, not my cup of tea, but I'm not inviting he or she (not sure how to refer to the person) into my living room to lecture my children.

This is the last time I'll say it, as I've said it before: I do not share all of your views of Rich Wyatt. I know Rich Wyatt, and though there are things about him I don't like, I'm guessing the feeling is mutual.

Rich doesn't define RMGO. Nor does a TV show. If you don't like the show, don't watch (i.e. vote with your feet).

It's not my place to stand and defend him, though. I'll let him do that, and sink or swim on his own merits.

It's my job to stand up on the gun issue in the best way possible, and since this show was NOT of my choosing.

If you don't want to be a member of RMGO because of this, you might as well quit now, as I'm sure there will be something else to offend you in the future (if I haven't already offended you with my antics in the past).

Seriously, people. Want me to interview your neighbors before RMGO decides if you can be a member??