Obama Gun Reform

[Colorado Luckydog]

I am not sure but I don't think he can usurp the Constitution with an EO.
If he does he is narcissistic enough to think he is beyond reproach.
He is not.
He does not care the least of this country.
This country is on a precipice, unemployment is still rampant, the economy still sucks, people are still losing their homes not to mention all of the rest of the crap this administration has done (or not done).
Even a fair number of Libs are pissed.
We as a Nation are nearing a tipping point I fear.

300 million pissed off 2A enthusiasts? Not a good scenario.

Every now and then someone just nails it. Good post BP!

[CMP_5.56]

I actually tried to make some posts in response there. It took me a few to realize I would have a better chance at shedding light on the evils of drugs to Keith Richards.

[TS12000]

Wonder if the shoulder things that go up will be included in the new bans.

[BigMat]

Wonder if the shoulder things that go up will be included in the new bans.

Those things only are meant to kill!


Question for the history buffs, can anyone one here think of a single item that has been perceived as a public threat, and then banned by the gov't and actually went away? All that comes to mind is slavery, and one could argue it was just replaced with migrant workers who arguably lived in a state of indentured servitude. I can't think of any product that became illegal and didn't just begin residing under the table and in the dark corners of society. I think one could argue the big gov't types have created the ghetos and the divides in society by banning so many things those who use them become a second class of citizen, often unable to get help, because they are now a "criminal."

[alxone]

Those things only are meant to kill!


Question for the history buffs, can anyone one here think of a single item that has been perceived as a public threat, and then banned by the gov't and actually went away? All that comes to mind is slavery, and one could argue it was just replaced with migrant workers who arguably lived in a state of indentured servitude. I can't think of any product that became illegal and didn't just begin residing under the table and in the dark corners of society. I think one could argue the big gov't types have created the ghetos and the divides in society by banning so many things those who use them become a second class of citizen, often unable to get help, because they are now a "criminal."

damn mat you got me , i have thinking on it and cant come up with one thing . well maybe lawn darts

[BigMat]

I've done some thinking about it. If I'm wrong please fill me in, this has got me thinking.

-Illegal drugs – banned – still used, obviously. Created the Drug War, created the current turmoil in Mexico, filled our prisons with people sucking 3 hots and a cot off the depressingly sober taxpayer. Awesome
-Gay Marriage – banned (mostly) – could be said the ban on gay marriage plays a role in the spread of HIV/AIDs. One of the best ways to prevent the spread is, monogamy. Marriage is for sure not a certainty of monogamy, but it doesn’t hurt.
-ETOH – previously banned – created the power of the mob during prohibition, and the mob has yet to reseed from power fully.
-Illegal immigration – banned – Yeah, they don’t come in anymore /sarcasm. I don’t even need to go into this.
-Prostitution – banned – I am sure any if you who have seen news in CO recently know how common this is. Especially if you happen to be a federal judge, or maybe, running for office in which you will run the largest law enforcement organization in the state!
- Many types of guns – production terminated, heavily monitored – hasn’t the murder rate gone up in the past two decades? Thanks goodness we got rid of all those machine guns and SBRs!


I can think of a few pesticides and medications/supplements that have been banned, but I think the FDA has served mostly to create this problem as it creates lazy, trusting, consumers, who are often lulled into Salmonila and carcinogens. For example, would “organic” food exist if the consumer really trusted the FDA to keep people safe, of course not, why pay more for no benefit.


There are of course common law crimes, like murder and theft, but I do not credit government for creating rules of society that have existed sense before we made it out of caves!


Even if these rules have done some good, they have not quashed any of the items listed, and served in large part to fill our prisons, push those in need of help and treatment to the slums of society, devoid of help or a chance. I feel like theses laws cemented the class of people they were created to "help."

[CrufflerSteve]

With the latest jobs figures out Nobama is vulnerable as all heck, Watch the main stream media working overtime to label the GOP candidates lunatics and every thing else they can make up and see if it sticks. I think right now that is his only chance of re-election.

I doubt if he would have the cojones to do any hard core anti-gun stuff and get gun owners upset. He does have a leftie base that is seriously unhappy with him so he needs to throw them a bone. Right now if you buy two handguns, it results in this http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-3310-4.pdf I'll bet this gets expanded to long guns. It could be spun as helping stop violence south of the border. Maybe he'll allocate some funds to prosecute straw purchasers - providing they aren't working for the ATF. I'm sure he'd love to ban private sales but doubt if he'd do more than a speech on this.

Steve

[Aloha_Shooter]

Those things only are meant to kill!


Question for the history buffs, can anyone one here think of a single item that has been perceived as a public threat, and then banned by the gov't and actually went away? All that comes to mind is slavery, and one could argue it was just replaced with migrant workers who arguably lived in a state of indentured servitude. I can't think of any product that became illegal and didn't just begin residing under the table and in the dark corners of society. I think one could argue the big gov't types have created the ghetos and the divides in society by banning so many things those who use them become a second class of citizen, often unable to get help, because they are now a "criminal."

Absinthe. Until the mental and moral degradation sunk to new lows recently, absinthe just flat out disappeared. You could also make a case to say LSD and PCP have largely gone away although that's more because the users found "better" ways to get high without the dangers of psychotic episodes that LSD and PCP posed but they ARE essentially gone. Leaded gasoline and house paint are gone too.

[Ronin13]

Absinthe. Until the mental and moral degradation sunk to new lows recently, absinthe just flat out disappeared. You could also make a case to say LSD and PCP have largely gone away although that's more because the users found "better" ways to get high without the dangers of psychotic episodes that LSD and PCP posed but they ARE essentially gone. Leaded gasoline and house paint are gone too.

Not entirely accurate. LSD and PCP are not gone, I know plenty of people who regularly use LSD- and PCP is really not gone... Prohibition just forces it underground, doesn't make it go away. Except for Quaaludes, whatever happened to them? I see it in old movies all the time but haven't heard of any of my druggie friends using them, and they'll do anything!
"Nothing more frightening than a man in the depths of an ether binge..." -Hunter S. Thompson.

[hammer03]

Leaded gasoline and house paint are gone too.

Leaded gasoline is still available at most small airports. And lead paint is used in China all the time (as seen in the recent kids toys painted with the stuff).


And Lithium is still used as medication for many mental disorders.