USPSA rifle ?

[Hannu]

This thought started, when I asked our fellow shooter Jerry if he would be interested in promoting rifle shooting in USPSA ? I mean _rifle_, no 3-gun, multigun etc.
For those of you who do not know, Jerry is running for USPSA president and that is why I asked him about it.

I loved IPSC rifle matches when I was living in Europe, but I have not found similar sports over here. Maybe Hosers rifle matches could be pretty close to it.

According to IPSC rules, shooting distances and round count should be as follows: 30% 0-60 meters, 50% 60-150 meters and 20% 150-300 meters.
So, it is fast and highly semi-auto sport, where AR-15 dominates the field. There are manual action divisions, though but I have seen somebody shooting manuls only very rarely.

Specially USPSA pistol/3-gun shooters, what are your thoughts about USPSA rifle matches ?

[rboyes]

I'm interested in rifle matches.

[Byte Stryke]

hesitantly, yes, maybe-ish

[rtr]

Hosers rifle matches have targets from contact to 425 yards shooting from a variety of supported and non supported positions. So for those interested on the front range come try it.

If USPSA promoted this discipline perhaps it would grow. Seems 3gun is the closest they have at the moment.

[rboyes]

Not a USPSA sanctioned match, but very fun nonetheless, here's a vid of a stage from Hoser's June Pueblo Tactical Rifle match. More matches like this would be sweet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZdD5KI4N3U

[275RLTW]

I've talked with Jerry about a rifle only match there at Weld & he is open to the idea. We were discussing it last year but we both have been too busy to persue it any. I would be willing to dedicate the time & targets we have available to the matc, as well as sponsorship, however finding the time to get it firured out has been lacking. We were thinking mid Sept. before nationals and before the snow falls....any thoughts?

Stages would closely resemble the USPSA guidlines you mentioned, forcing the shooters to use that trigger more & actually run the gun vice pinging targets at distance.

Perhaps I need to dedicate time to sit & talk with Jerry more. Any input or if someone has more time to devote to this, please feel free. We would love a fast rifle match in Northern Colorado & again, would contribute with recources, targetry, and what money we could.

[VNgunfighter]

I think rifle/carbine matches are a great idea.

But locally there would be some issues.

There is not a range in the Denver Metro area that could support this type of match. Pueblo would be the closest and might be able to get away with it. For the have the range and the resources. CRC might be able to do this, but to do this there would need to be a 10-12 stage match.

I am all for the 30/50/20 ratio. But there is a existing problem with MED range rifle. Every range in CO has a 100yrd berm, some have 200, but there are very few that can go to 300.

But personally I think USPSA and the thought of slating something as a USPSA match, especially a rifle match would be a problem. For the Outlaw organizations are way more progressive, creative and don't need votes for stage design and whatever else.

Plus I support the people who support the sport and play the game as well.

And true IPSC rifle has 2 divisions, Standard and Open.

there are successful carbine type matches all over the country and very few are under the USPSA banner.

So if this were to happen how many classes would there be? I can think of 6 classes.

[Hannu]

Please keep in mind that like USPSA pistol rules, rifle rules should not necessarily follow 100% IPSC rules. In my opinion, USPSA pistol rules are far better / more shooter oriented than IPSC rules, why not to do the same with rifle rules ? Actually, IPSC rifle has more divisions than 2, I remember 4. But, clever idea might be to use 3-gun existing divisions and equipment regulations for rifles ?

However, I think IPSC rifle rules have generally more common sense than pistol rules.
The 2 just happen to have probably 99% of competitors.

And 200yd is allright - if it is 30% of shots between 150 and 300 meters, 200yd = ~183 meters so it fits perfectly.
Of course, would be more fun to shoot 300m or even longer.

Metro area has anyway very limited possibilities to set up USPSA match(es), rifle or pistol

[SA Friday]

I think it would come down to competition with other matches. At least here on the front range, there is a ton of matches as we stand and the competition for the shooters is a reality at quite a few of the matches.

Then you have competition as to which set of rules to use for a match like this, USPSA or outlaw. Having Hoser and JJ in the area, outlaw matches are going to win out in he long run. They have been running matches for so long with tried and true sets of rules, it's almost going to be pretty hard to convince anyone that USPSA rules are better to run a match under.

If you are suggesting that USPSA run rifle matches nationally as a suggestion to Jerry if he gets elected, i think that could be accomplished by simply adding verbage to the current 3 gun rules allowing a match with just rifles. I would have to look, there might be that option already.

Kind of a side bar discussion, but I would personally like to see a SMG division in some form for USPSA matches. We used to do a second gun SMG division in York, PA when I was there, and shooting a suppressed 9mm AR in a USPSA stage is amazing fun. It doesn't slow the matches down either like a side bar match as the SMGs can run the stages just like a pistol in regular rotation.

[VNgunfighter]

I was just answering the question on 'USPSA Rifle".

The only thing that is a standard is the USPSA safety rules, which are used across the nation.

Everything else is "Outlaw Modified".

In the Multigun World, USPSA does not lead, they follow.

And I was not getting into the rules, just replying to the questions on the interest if rifle matches in Colorado.

I think there is a huge potential for carbine/rifle matches here. there just needs to be a good venue for this concept.

And support the fact of new divisions ie "SMG division" but there should be a minimum number of shooters in that class I think.

If you think about it, a "rifle only" match could bring more than just one specified system out.