Mosque ban in TN

[Ronin13]

Is this bad? It may seem closed minded and a bit racist (or whatever it is called when you discriminate against a religion- although Islam is not really a religious ideal, it's a life ideal), but he makes a good point that Islam doesn't separate church and state so thus it's cool to ban them.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/h...152052930.html

I'm in the camp that disagrees with the practices and beliefs of most muslims, but as long as they leave me alone and don't berate me for not believing the same crap they do I can tolerate. It's the fanatical ones (like those who want to put this "Islamic Center" in Murfreesboro, even Cain says:

"I don't agree with what's happening because this isn't an innocent mosque,"

[Zundfolge]

This is why Islam is the perfect enemy of The West.

The ONLY way to successfully deal with these people requires us to abandon our own principals and values (end religious liberty ... followed up by genocide).

So if we lose, we lose. If we win, we lose.

The devil is pretty clever ain't he?

I'm in the camp that disagrees with the practices and beliefs of most muslims, but as long as they leave me alone and don't berate me for not believing the same crap they do I can tolerate. It's the fanatical ones (like those who want to put this "Islamic Center" in Murfreesboro...

The problem is that you don't understand Islam. Its not just the fanatical, radicals or extremists that believe that it is their place to kill or convert EVERYONE, its the mainstream root of their religion.

Eventually even the "nice" ones WILL try to kill you.

Islam is Arabic for "Submission".
Muslim is Arabic for "One Who Submits".

There is no middle ground. There is no tolerance. There is no coexistence (no matter how many bumper stickers one puts on their Prius). There is only Submission.

[Ronin13]

This is why Islam is the perfect enemy of The West.

The ONLY way to successfully deal with these people requires us to abandon our own principals and values (end religious liberty ... followed up by genocide).

So if we lose, we lose. If we win, we lose.

The devil is pretty clever ain't he?



The problem is that you don't understand Islam. Its not just the fanatical, radicals or extremists that believe that it is their place to kill or convert EVERYONE, its the mainstream root of their religion.

Eventually even the "nice" ones WILL try to kill you.

Islam is Arabic for "Submission".
Muslim is Arabic for "One Who Submits".

There is no middle ground. There is no tolerance. There is no coexistence (no matter how many bumper stickers one puts on their Prius). There is only Submission.

Oh I fully understand Islam- as a US Army Intelligence specialist for 4 years I had to understand, learn, and even practically become a scholar in it... especially since I had to teach soldiers about it! Of course I didn't mention that the Koran states everyone must be a Muslim, and it's the duty of every Muslim to find and convert or kill everyone.
I agree, and we have a catch 22 here with the issue that we can't deal with the problem correctly or we'll go against what we believe. Islam also believes that Jews are a problem, and Christianity is decadent. When will this stop? People say that they are peaceful, look at them in large groups: the week leading up to the battle of Fallujah, Iraq- involving the Blackwater contractors that were murdered, the entire crowd was involved in defacing and burning the bodies; yet when we kill jihadis we respect their bodies, well I say F*** that, treat them how they treat us. We capture them, cut their heads off on CNN; we ambush them and kill them, piss on their rotting corpses and set them ablaze. You don't fight a junkyard dog with ACLU rules, you fight by taking the leash off your bigger meaner dog.

[jscwerve]

Wow, what a way to take away rights and end the very foundation that this country was built on. Freedom of religion, eh, guess it worked for a while.

Dammit, those evil Amish want to live the lifestyle of their religion! We should ban their communities too!!!! Oh ya, and don't even get me started on those crazy Mormons!!

Christianity is the boodiest thing EVER to grace the face of this planet barring the gigantic meteor that killed everything (you creationists can ignore that last statement.)


Personally I think if we get rid of ALL organized religion this planet would be a much better place.

[Zundfolge]

Wow, what a way to take away rights and end the very foundation that this country was built on. Freedom of religion, eh, guess it worked for a while.

That's kind of my point. Freedom of religion only works if all religions are ok with peaceful coexistence. Once you have one religion that orders its adherents to kill or convert everyone, then that freedom doesn't work (and don't give me this crap about how Christianity is just as bad. ANYONE who tries to force anyone else to convert to Christianity is BREAKING THE RULES of Christianity ... whereas the Rules of Islam ORDER Muslims to kill or convert everyone). But freedom of religion is a basic tenant of western culture (one I happen to like a lot) so we're in a catch 22 with Islam.

Christianity is the boodiest thing EVER to grace the face of this planet barring the gigantic meteor that killed everything (you creationists can ignore that last statement.)

That is just assinine. Clearly you know nothing about Christianity, human history or any other world religion for that matter.

Personally I think if we get rid of ALL organized religion this planet would be a much better place.

Yeah because Atheists would never commit mass murder (pay no attention to the hundreds of millions murdered in the 20th century by Atheist Communists).

[UberTong]

You are spot on Zundfolge.

[jscwerve]

That's kind of my point. Freedom of religion only works if all religions are ok with peaceful coexistence. Once you have one religion that orders its adherents to kill or convert everyone, then that freedom doesn't work (and don't give me this crap about how Christianity is just as bad. ANYONE who tries to force anyone else to convert to Christianity is BREAKING THE RULES of Christianity ... whereas the Rules of Islam ORDER Muslims to kill or convert everyone). But freedom of religion is a basic tenant of western culture (one I happen to like a lot) so we're in a catch 22 with Islam.

That is just assinine. Clearly you know nothing about Christianity, human history or any other world religion for that matter.


Yeah because Atheists would never commit mass murder (pay no attention to the hundreds of millions murdered in the 20th century by Atheist Communists).

Ya, now I'm an atheist? Didn't know that. I'll go tell my family now.
No, I'm not an atheist, but my personal opinion on organized religion is not a good one. Was it needed at some point in history? Possibly, but that is debateable. The way it looks to me now is a propaganda tool to get the votes of the feeble minded that believe whatever they hear, and to push a personal agenda on other people while at the same time wasting money on pointless causes.

And I guess I'm just some ol moron that knows nothing about world history or religion. I really should get my money back for those theology classes. I admit I probably mis-spoke when I said that christianity was the bloodiest thing, while I should have said religion in general. Yes, that is debatable also with the world wars, slave trade, and wars fought over land/politics, etc. It can't be denied though that throughout history millions upon millions have been killed in the name of organized religion. Many for the simple problem of symantics. The "my god is better than yours" or the "convert or die" excuse gets old after a few thousand years. Hence my complete lack of faith in any type of organized religion. Although it may be wrong in christianity to "force to convert", a very large amount of the christians in the past didn't get that memo.

Having a law/ban/whatever you want to call it on the books would be just another step into destroying this country.

I was playing the devils advocate, I could give two squirts of warm piss what religion someone is. I do think being called a godless moron was a bit uncalled for though. There are two sides to everything, and if you believe that christianity is peaceful and doesn't have an extremely bloody history, you need to do some reasearch.


I'm done with this subject, it can be argued endlessly until everyone is dead from old age or boredom. (or religious war!! (just kidding ))

[Ranger]

Christianity is the boodiest thing EVER to grace the face of this planet barring the gigantic meteor that killed everything (you creationists can ignore that last statement.)

Spoken like a true atheist. Perhaps you are are agnostic, but that last statement really says otherwise.

Personally I think if we get rid of ALL organized religion this planet would be a much better place.

Whether you choose to believe or not, and to make sure I'm stating my position clearly - I do, at the very core of religion are generally good values and if belief in those values make a person a better person then I think religion has served a good purpose. Without these values then murder would be OK because there are no societal norms based on religion that would have banned it. Many laws of this country and in many ways this country itself could have been lawless without Christianity.

Since the basic principal of most religions is acceptance, love and compassion, these are all apparently bad things to you (and others that believe the same thing). In order to support your side of the equation you are quick to point out how the various religions have committed heinous acts but of course fail to point out those committed by the non religious. That is the same as saying all priests are child molesters when, in fact, they represent a VERY small percentage of priests but be sure to put the spotlight on those that are in order to make your point that region is corrupt and evil.

How many poor have you fed or clothed in your lifetime? And I don't mean that you gave to charity, but actually provided for them? This is the mission of many religious orders and man aren't they evil for doing it?

So go on believing your double rainbows or whatever the heck else you believe in and I'll keep putting my FAITH behind the core values that people of all walks tend to support more - like doing my best to be an honest, forgiving and loving person but accepting that I am human and will falter.

Atheists always sound like liberals to me (and I believe most probably are), in that the only information they have is their talking points that justify their position but know absolutely nothing about the actual topics or issues themselves. Now you may not be an atheist yourself, but you sure hate religion for no real reason other than your talking points.

Oh, and by the way, I was a hard core atheist for a long time, so I'm not speaking as someone who doesn't understand their position and rationale.

An in order to keep on topic, I believe in freedom of religion and I know that muslims are FAR more peaceful than the radicals that are brought to the forefront. How many other constitutional rights should we give up? Might as well throw out the 2nd amendment too, since we are just tearing up the constitution.

[Zundfolge]

Whether you choose to believe or not, and to make sure I'm stating my position clearly - I do, at the very core of religion are generally good values and if belief in those values make a person a better person then I think religion has served a good purpose.

I'm a Christian and I have absolutely no problem with any religion EXCEPT Islam.

Islam is not just a religion, its also a political, economic and legal system. It CAN NOT coexist peacefully with other religions, political systems, economic systems or legal systems. Period. This is by design.

EVERY other religion on Earth has within it the ability to peacefully coexist with its non believing neighbors (that doesn't mean they always do, but it is still possible). ONLY Islam orders its adherents to kill or convert all of humanity and establish a global theocracy.

Islam is an existential threat to every other belief system on the planet.

[Ranger]

No way the inquisition, crusades, other messed up Christian causes killed that many.

And don't forget that while the inquisition was wrong (yes, Christians can be wrong of course), the crusades were the Catholic reaction to the Muslims killing all who didn't convert - so thank God for the crusades or we would all be worshiping Muhammad!