Originally Posted by
Monky
Maybe I'm just lost and a bit confused by your description of what happened... but there are issues with it.. And here are my issues and perhaps you can clarify some things for me.
He is attempting to physically intimidate you. Assuming he's been drinking as you stated... you do not remove yourself from the situation.. Is it because there are two of you? Or because you want to attempt to impress a chick..
This girl is a good friend and has been for years, more like a sister to me. I don't need/want/have any reason to want to impress her. In my last post I explained why I thought staying put would have been a better option than trying to get away. Also I want to clarify... I heard and saw him put a can down when he got up. I don't know what was in it, I'm merely assuming from his actions that it was alcohol. He could have been completely sober, but I doubt it.
I see blah blah blah blah.. You let him get within 10' of you.. well within the 'lethal threat' range of 21'.. You had the weapon in your hand? but in the holster? but you didn't want him to see you draw? I'm confused...
Basically I was holding my gun, but kept it hidden. In training I practice my draw and have it down as a 2nd nature, and I figured I could have drawn and fired faster than he can bring his bat-length gun up to aim towards us. Still, I didn't want him to see me draw because at that point I still thought he had a firearm and I thought if he saw me draw he would fire (or try to). I know I just said I could likely have rounds on him before he could aim, but since the two people I was with were also in the line of fire I didn't want to risk it if I didn't have to. Had he pointed the bat at us then, you might be reading about this in the news. But since he wasn't, I saw no reason to act just yet.
He was walking towards us but wasn't aiming anything at us (think, holding a bat-length shotgun by the stock, one handed, with the muzzle at the ground).
You put your friend, your chick friend and yourself in danger because you think you're bruce fuckin leroy segal norris.. You are not attempting to protect your friend.. you are attempting to assist him should he get into shit w/ the man you let get far too close with a weapon in his hand..
Exactly... I was there to assist him, not protect him (after we saw it was a bat and not a gun). While he didn't do anything to start the confrontation, he WAS continuing it and aggravating it, and that's his own damn fault.
I don't see how I put anybody in danger, other than the asshat with the bat.
Really? was this necessary? Again.. you must not like your friend or at his expense you are attempting to impress a chick.. How much alcohol was consumed by your party that night?
I said he was a mutual friend... really, he's her friend that I've hung out with a couple times. While I don't particularly like him, that has no bearing on this. Again, not trying to impress her. No alcohol was consumed by my party, we were at a smoke shop (tobacco, NOT pot or anything else... I don't touch that shit).
Not if he were proned out and the cops were already on their way which is what should have happened..
Not interested in getting the law involved unless absolutely necessary. If I had drawn and he gave up, I'd have covered him while my friends got to the car and then hopped in when they drove by and we'd have left. Maybe this is "wrong" but honestly, I don't care. I appreciate all of the LEOs that look out for us, but if nobody is dead or in the hospital (or even injured in this case), calling them would just be an unnecessary headache.
Again.. Bruce Leroy.. I've trained in martial arts a very good portion of my life.. I'm still currently training.. and you don't attack people by surprise.. you aren't a fucking Ninja.. You don't even put yourself in a situation that can be avoided.. because in training you learn to never underestimate your opponent.. Suppose the guy was the batting coach for the Rockies.. pretty sure he could use a bat better than you could ninja him...
Why don't you attack people by surprise? If he's focused on my buddy and ignoring me, I will take advantage of that. Sure, he could have been a quadruple black belt ninja samurai, but I dot think so. People with lots of training in combatives (martial arts, gunfighting, etc.) generally handle themselves differently, and from his appearance/actions I don't think he's the type. What I saw was a white trash type with messy hair in a dirty wifebeater and shorts with no shoes on... I didn't get the feeling that he was someone that could rip my heart out of my chest without me realizing it.
Yes you did. You drew but had it holstered but somehow let him get well within effective range of a shotgun... ??? That's hesitation.
I thought he had a gun, I was prepared to take his life to protect ours, and I positioned myself to do so. I was waiting for him to give me a solid reason to... that's thinking, not hesitation.
The discrepancies in your story tell me otherwise.. Adrenaline is a strange and wonderful thing..
How so?
Because jumping him from behind after you allowed him to get that close and allowed the situation to escalate wouldn't be difficult? Think again man.. Think again.. Your assumption he had been drinking, your allowing him to get close.. you'd be picked apart by the cops and the prosecution..
I handled the situation in a way that I thought was safest for my party, and I've already explained my reasoning for my actions.
So what makes it any different when your friend is around and some random strange? But you did draw on him.. and you didn't hesitate in your decision to use lethal force.. but you did let a dangerous situation draw out entirely longer than needed..
Uh.... what?
But it seems as if you see everything you did wrong.. I just don't know WHY..
Again... what?
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