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[Jer]

what is judaism?

people within every religion differ on their beliefs on just how far that should go. judaism was originally created to be everything in someone's life, including politically. not all muslims believe islam should be everything in their life. many practice it just as christians or jews or anyone else. my muslim friends have zero interest in changing the united states government to practice islamic doctirine. in two of their cases, thats exactly why they fled here.

Where does Judaism preach deceit and denial to gain numbers and then once you have the upper hand.... force that hand onto others who will follow or die? Where does Judaism preach surrender is only acceptable when it's your side surrendering and if an enemy surrenders their options are to convert or die?

I can appreciate what your friends have been through but I also have Christian and Catholic friends who don't understand the first thing about the religion they practice.

[Ronin13]

Where does Judaism preach deceit and denial to gain numbers and then once you have the upper hand.... force that hand onto others who will follow or die? Where does Judaism preach surrender is only acceptable when it's your side surrendering and if an enemy surrenders their options are to convert or die?

I can appreciate what your friends have been through but I also have Christian and Catholic friends who don't understand the first thing about the religion they practice.

+100! No other "religion" (see my comment above about how this applies to Islam) preaches absolute submission and conversion or extreme/severe punishment (ie: death) to those who refuse to join. That's not what America is founded upon, it was founded by people fleeing a religious society that persecuted them, thus why our founding fathers wanted to make it a safe place for people to practice whatever they believe and be governed by different ideals aside from religion.

[hatidua]

+100! No other "religion" (see my comment above about how this applies to Islam) preaches absolute submission and conversion or extreme/severe punishment (ie: death) to those who refuse to join.

Many versions of christianity do. It's been a few too many years since bible class in my youth but best I can recall (very loose recollection), you submit to god, accept jesus, or burn in the lake of fire for a good long while.

Accept it and get heaven, reject it and get hell. While the "punishment" isn't immediate, or of this earth, I see that as punishment nonetheless. As such, yes, there are other religions that preach that.

Granted, I think all religions are a crock so I don't worry too much about any of them.

[Jer]

Many versions of christianity do. It's been a few too many years since bible class in my youth but best I can recall (very loose recollection), you submit to god, accept jesus, or burn in the lake of fire for a good long while.

Accept it and get heaven, reject it and get hell. While the "punishment" isn't immediate, or of this earth, I see that as punishment nonetheless. As such, yes, there are other religions that preach that.

Granted, I think all religions are a crock so I don't worry too much about any of them.

Not even close to the same thing. You're talking about post-life which, depending on how you believe, may or may not even exist and if it does... well, every religion is the only way to attain post-life salvation, correct?

The one thing we ALL know for sure is this life we're living right now. One religion teaches conversion or murder in the name of said religion and one doesn't. Not really a good comparison.

[Ronin13]

Many versions of christianity do. It's been a few too many years since bible class in my youth but best I can recall (very loose recollection), you submit to god, accept jesus, or burn in the lake of fire for a good long while.

Accept it and get heaven, reject it and get hell. While the "punishment" isn't immediate, or of this earth, I see that as punishment nonetheless. As such, yes, there are other religions that preach that.

Granted, I think all religions are a crock so I don't worry too much about any of them.

While true, modern Christianity talks about what they believe will happen to those who do not believe in God and accept Jesus and all that. Islam preaches what the followers of Allah and Mohammad should DO to those that do not believe what they do. Kind of a pressure to act on non-believers who do not subscribe to their sick ideology.

[nynco]

While true, modern Christianity talks about what they believe will happen to those who do not believe in God and accept Jesus and all that. Islam preaches what the followers of Allah and Mohammad should DO to those that do not believe what they do. Kind of a pressure to act on non-believers who do not subscribe to their sick ideology.

what do you think Evangelical Christians are or do? They just don't strap bombs on themselves (yet) see Norway.

[Ronin13]

what do you think Evangelical Christians are or do? They just don't strap bombs on themselves (yet) see Norway.

Evangelical Christians are not screaming out "Death to the non-belivers." At least they're not making their voices heard. Islam preaches, and this is conservative Islam I'm talking about, that the infidel is a viper and must be hunted down and killed as such. How do you kill a viper? Cut off it's head. Sounds strangely familiar, just ask Daniel Pearl, oh wait, you can't. I haven't seen any Christians film cutting off peoples heads, blowing up military convoys, and screaming "Holy war on those who don't believe what we believe!"

[nynco]

Evangelical Christians are not screaming out "Death to the non-belivers." At least they're not making their voices heard. Islam preaches, and this is conservative Islam I'm talking about, that the infidel is a viper and must be hunted down and killed as such. How do you kill a viper? Cut off it's head. Sounds strangely familiar, just ask Daniel Pearl, oh wait, you can't. I haven't seen any Christians film cutting off peoples heads, blowing up military convoys, and screaming "Holy war on those who don't believe what we believe!"

Not all, but let me tell you, there are some loons out there. I also think that Islamic extremists are a huge problem too. I just think its counter productive to treat all Muslims like they are. Islam is in their dark ages. While fighting fire with fire might win temporary battles, eventually you have to figure out a way to end the firefight. So unless you are willing to go out and commit genocide on 2 billion people..... what do you do?

[CMP_5.56]

Many versions of christianity do. It's been a few too many years since bible class in my youth but best I can recall (very loose recollection), you submit to god, accept jesus, or burn in the lake of fire for a good long while.

Accept it and get heaven, reject it and get hell. While the "punishment" isn't immediate, or of this earth, I see that as punishment nonetheless. As such, yes, there are other religions that preach that.

Granted, I think all religions are a crock so I don't worry too much about any of them.

Yes, Christianity does believe that if you choose to live a life outside its beliefs you will suffer consequences after life for that choice. So do many other religions. Nowhere does it say that you will be robbed of your life for making that choice. The one thing you're not seeing is Christianity does not take away your free will, as a matter of fact it is the focus of the religion that we were created with free will. Islam, does not want free will, and it takes it from all of its followers.