Islam on capital Hill

[Ronin13]

Don't turn off the phonograph but sh*t, I'm tired of being a broken record!
I'll try to make this as clear as possible:

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION!!
Didn't hear that? Step closer to my bullhorn. Islam is a governance and way of life, much to the effect that Communism is a way of life not just a governmental system. Islam dictates how you live your live, how you govern your area, and how you command you family. Furthermore, Thomas Jefferson was an outspoken atheist who believed that the moment you combine religion and government you rectally impale yourself with the big black c**K of tyranny (not his exact words). It works out great for those that believe what the religious government believes, but not so much for those that have contrary beliefs.
Step one: have islamic prayer at Capitol Hill.
Step two: enact a few small Sharia based laws.
Step three: All who do not submit to Allah will be beheaded. Goodbye America.
I have no problem with people praying to whatever god, idol, statue, cracker jack box prize, whatever... but when their beliefs call for the murder of those who don't believe the same, I draw a line in the sand and say cross it, you better be a better shot than I. America was founded by white Europeans (from all over, but mostly the UK- to include Ireland and Scotland) who didn't want religion creeping into their system of government. We are not a democracy here, we are a republic, and in the words of Plato: "A republic is far superior when the power is not given to just one man, one group, or one sect, but instead distributed evenly so all men, groups and sects have a voice in how the republic is governed."

[tmckay2]

And on another note You young Dumb people don't have any idea what this country was founded on. And you think that PC is the way to go don't offend those that are different. My dad fought in 2 wars and I listen to him all the time and we are Going down probably below a 3rd world nation and You are Proud. Get a fuk'n grip.

Grow up and get some balls and quit kiising up to our pres and our government. you pussies will surrender your guns as soon as they knock on the door.
That is why I say Ever day you lose something because you are too stupid to realize it is happening.

We had a Prayer Day (Christian) and now we need a Islamic Prayer day Fuk you.

im guessing your dad didn't fight for the rights of people who only agree with him. every single person differs in some way or another, some more than others, but if you want to split hairs we are all different and have different beliefs. some believe in the death penalty, some don't. some are republican some are democrat. some believe in one god, some believe in many. the constitution is quite clear that we are all supposed to be treated equally under the laws of this country. its literally the biggest thing that makes this country unique and special. there are TONS of people i don't agree with and some i think are just plain crazy. but they still have rights. i think westboro baptist church are the scum of the earth, but they still have some rights. frankly if i don't support the right to exercise those, i have dishonored this country, its founding fathers, my family members who fought for it, and everyone else in between. even if i was to march to protest some of these groups' actions, id STILL support their right to practice what they want within the laws.

i am a super conservative and super traditionalist. i think this country is going down the crapper probably as much as you do. i wish we could go back to the times of yester year where family meant something, patriotism was everywhere, and people didn't want to leach off of everyone else. but thats not what we are talking about here. we are talking about basic rights. so what if they are people you don't like? thats when you really find out just how much you really support the principles this country was founded on. i don't believe in treating minorities or majorities favorably or giving groups perks, but i believe in treating them all fairly.

[tmckay2]

Don't turn off the phonograph but sh*t, I'm tired of being a broken record!
I'll try to make this as clear as possible:

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION!!
Didn't hear that? Step closer to my bullhorn. Islam is a governance and way of life, much to the effect that Communism is a way of life not just a governmental system. Islam dictates how you live your live, how you govern your area, and how you command you family. Furthermore, Thomas Jefferson was an outspoken atheist who believed that the moment you combine religion and government you rectally impale yourself with the big black c**K of tyranny (not his exact words). It works out great for those that believe what the religious government believes, but not so much for those that have contrary beliefs.
Step one: have islamic prayer at Capitol Hill.
Step two: enact a few small Sharia based laws.
Step three: All who do not submit to Allah will be beheaded. Goodbye America.
I have no problem with people praying to whatever god, idol, statue, cracker jack box prize, whatever... but when their beliefs call for the murder of those who don't believe the same, I draw a line in the sand and say cross it, you better be a better shot than I. America was founded by white Europeans (from all over, but mostly the UK- to include Ireland and Scotland) who didn't want religion creeping into their system of government. We are not a democracy here, we are a republic, and in the words of Plato: "A republic is far superior when the power is not given to just one man, one group, or one sect, but instead distributed evenly so all men, groups and sects have a voice in how the republic is governed."

what is judaism?

people within every religion differ on their beliefs on just how far that should go. judaism was originally created to be everything in someone's life, including politically. not all muslims believe islam should be everything in their life. many practice it just as christians or jews or anyone else. my muslim friends have zero interest in changing the united states government to practice islamic doctirine. in two of their cases, thats exactly why they fled here.

[Jumpstart]

I would like to comment on my beliefs of Islam in the USA. I will refrain as I am a white Christian male, and subject to persecution by the Homeland Security Administration for my beliefs.

[Jer]

If Islam were a religion and ONLY a religion I would have ZERO problem with it. None. Just like any other religion for that matter as I don't care. Believe what you want and as long as it doesn't infringe one anyone else's rights (assuming we're talking about those practicing in the US since rights differ by country) then it's fine by me and I feel that everyone has this freedom as afforded by the constitution.

The problem I have with Islam is it's NOT just a religion, it's a way of life/society/government as well. This way of life does NOT mix well with our way of life as afforded by the government we've created. In fact, the society/government that Islam preaches is in direct conflict with our current government. Bottom line is that for Islam to flourish as laid out in their holy guidelines our government must perish as we know it. They two are not able to plug into each other and it's like oil and water. No matter how much you want them to mix and coexist it's simply not possible. You can saw what you want about extremist v. fundamentalist v. radicals v. casual followers but the bottom line is this IS how it's written.

That's the problem I have with it. Not because it's a religion that I may or may not agree with but that it's a way of life that would require the demise of our way of life.

[Jer]

what is judaism?

people within every religion differ on their beliefs on just how far that should go. judaism was originally created to be everything in someone's life, including politically. not all muslims believe islam should be everything in their life. many practice it just as christians or jews or anyone else. my muslim friends have zero interest in changing the united states government to practice islamic doctirine. in two of their cases, thats exactly why they fled here.

Where does Judaism preach deceit and denial to gain numbers and then once you have the upper hand.... force that hand onto others who will follow or die? Where does Judaism preach surrender is only acceptable when it's your side surrendering and if an enemy surrenders their options are to convert or die?

I can appreciate what your friends have been through but I also have Christian and Catholic friends who don't understand the first thing about the religion they practice.

[CMP_5.56]

Name me one religion that is. Every religion I can think of involves a moral code, a way of life and a system of rules and judgments...at the least. these outside factors do play into society, the issue is just one of degree. Bang your iHead on the iWall all you want, but you are deluding yourself if you think Christianity is "just" a religion. Christian leaders lobby, plan, boycott, organize and petition, all outside of church hours. Just because their line is closer to ours makes the beliefs of others no less valid, and deserving of no fewer rights. If there is a single religion on earth that ends with whats in your heart and what you believe I am unaware of it.


Islam does have rules in Sharia that bleed into society, true. There is no refuting this, but so does every religion. If you are going to tell me Christianity hasn't denied "freedoms" to people in this country you are deeply mistaken. Just as you may see the second protecting 30 round mags and "those shoulder thingies" they may see their freedoms differently, marriage being a big one, A HUGE ONE. If you are going to tell me that your high-cap mags are more important to you than your spouse, you may need to keep your wife from reading this thread, and that "right" is denied, because its a "sin." No other reason for this ban is logical, sound, ethical, or holds water from more than a minute. -if you are going to say "sanctity of marriage" hold it for one second, in Sharia law, adultorers (sp.?) can be stoned to death...they may be onto something. That would help keep mom and dad at home, and probably drastically lower the divorce rate in the US! If you are anti-gay marriage "for the children" you better be anti-divorce "for the children," and maybe even pro-stoning "for the children" because dammit they're children!


Children are allowed wine in church, however, fully grown, independent American adults are not allowed other mind altering substances in their religion. Sure one is more sever, but the other is OK for children, No religion bias there...



Freedom of religion does end when it transgress the rights of others, agreed...can you elaborate how this prayer day transgressed your rights? why, for that matter, does polygamy transgress your rights? How about, peyote? Snake charming? Any rights transgressed yet? For that matter, does Sharia, when practiced in a subset of society, and not involving vigilantism (which is illegal, regardless of religious orientation), transgress YOUR rights?

You are right, religions all have a st of rules. They all bleed into society based on, in large, being the majority in the society. I am personally not against gay marriage. I dont care who you want to spend the rest of your life with. Calling it marriage instead of any other term for a lifetime legal binding partnership is what gets most people up in arms. I think it is based in the fact the terms marriage, married etc. all stem from religion, namely christianity.

My problem with islam is that of all religions I see, and I'm going into extremist church branches or anything, but the base of that religious belief is to be looked at. Of all religions i have ever studied, read about, or been introduced to, Islam is the only one whose laws of the religion would conflict with the laws of our country. To be a true Muslim means you practice Sharia, if you practice Sharia you break the laws of our nation, which in turn means you forfiet your rights.

People want to stand up for the constitution, and I am sure one of those people, but the basis of rule of law means you agree to live inside the law, or outside the law. When you choose outside you don't just break the laws you want to and keep the rights. No you lose the protection of the law you chose to ignore.

[Ronin13]

Where does Judaism preach deceit and denial to gain numbers and then once you have the upper hand.... force that hand onto others who will follow or die? Where does Judaism preach surrender is only acceptable when it's your side surrendering and if an enemy surrenders their options are to convert or die?

I can appreciate what your friends have been through but I also have Christian and Catholic friends who don't understand the first thing about the religion they practice.

+100! No other "religion" (see my comment above about how this applies to Islam) preaches absolute submission and conversion or extreme/severe punishment (ie: death) to those who refuse to join. That's not what America is founded upon, it was founded by people fleeing a religious society that persecuted them, thus why our founding fathers wanted to make it a safe place for people to practice whatever they believe and be governed by different ideals aside from religion.

[hatidua]

+100! No other "religion" (see my comment above about how this applies to Islam) preaches absolute submission and conversion or extreme/severe punishment (ie: death) to those who refuse to join.

Many versions of christianity do. It's been a few too many years since bible class in my youth but best I can recall (very loose recollection), you submit to god, accept jesus, or burn in the lake of fire for a good long while.

Accept it and get heaven, reject it and get hell. While the "punishment" isn't immediate, or of this earth, I see that as punishment nonetheless. As such, yes, there are other religions that preach that.

Granted, I think all religions are a crock so I don't worry too much about any of them.

[Jer]

Many versions of christianity do. It's been a few too many years since bible class in my youth but best I can recall (very loose recollection), you submit to god, accept jesus, or burn in the lake of fire for a good long while.

Accept it and get heaven, reject it and get hell. While the "punishment" isn't immediate, or of this earth, I see that as punishment nonetheless. As such, yes, there are other religions that preach that.

Granted, I think all religions are a crock so I don't worry too much about any of them.

Not even close to the same thing. You're talking about post-life which, depending on how you believe, may or may not even exist and if it does... well, every religion is the only way to attain post-life salvation, correct?

The one thing we ALL know for sure is this life we're living right now. One religion teaches conversion or murder in the name of said religion and one doesn't. Not really a good comparison.