Funny email from a crazy liberal

[Ronin13]

Why we should treat everyone.............

Guy walks into a hospital with a cough. In your world the hospital turns him away. Sorry guy with cough, you can't pay, GTFO. Guy with cough (GWC) goes back onto the streets meets you, your wife, your children and you all are in an elevator (or where ever does not really matter) he goes into a coughing fit. HACK HACK HACK...he just can't stop. You and your wife and kids including your 2 month old child, get off the elevator early because you think its nasty.
As you get out you shout - "Why don't you get yourself checked out by a Dr? ya nasty jerk"
GWC replies through his coughing - "I tried........ but they denied me care because I could not pay for it, sorry about my cough."

About a week later your wife, your kid and your child all get a fever. You think thats odd.... you even go to the Dr. He tells you, you have the flu. You all get bed rest. But then you all start to cough and cough and cough. Your Dr does not understand why. But soon enough a month later after coughing so much they finally see on an Xray why you are coughing.

Congratulations......... you and the rest of your family now have Tuberculosis (TB) Not just any TB but the strains that are very strong.

Dr's try to treat your family. But your child is the first to die. Babies immune systems are just not strong enough for that. Your baby dies drowning in her own blood in her lungs from TB lesions.

Your other child........ she fights for a while but after a year and so many medical bills. All the while your insurance company is denying care... with you on the phone every day trying to keep them paying the bills to keep her alive. Well, the insurance company stopped paying and the hospital kicks her out. She dies at home. She might have lived through it. But hey, insurance company has got to make a profit and you could not pay your bills.

Your wife. Well she is like the walking dead. She hacks all the time but the Drs think she will live.

You on the other hand are a broken man with both kids dead way before their time.



All this could have been prevented had you treated the original guy who could not pay who had TB in its early stages.

A society where only money matters and only those who can pay deserve healthcare is a sick society. A society whose sickness will spread....... just like TB.

Cough cough

While that's a s****y example, and a bit extreme, do you know who pays for the guy who can't afford healthcare? We do! And in a universal healthcare system everyone pays for everyone. And what about those of us who rarely (if ever) go to the doctor? Oh yeah, we have to pay into the pot too, we can't opt out of it if it's universal and mandatory. So my hard earned money goes to Pablo and his family to get fixed up, instead of maybe going into investments to pay for my retirement, or my children's college fund. I guess my money isn't really my money. Hmm, socialism, seemed to work great of the Nazis.
Perfect example- every s**tbag that can't afford insurance or whatever, goes and abuses the current system by walking into the ER just raised the price. The billing department knows they are going to bill the person, but the person can't afford it... loss. So who pays the bill? Everyone else. Wait until it's only affordable by the richest people, then tell me if Mr. Cough deserves to get a free pass when we're all dying.

[nynco]

Our illegals are educated with high tech training... if you look at from a 3rd world perspective- laying flagstones and brick/mortar is very high tech, if you live in Afghanistan!
And I don't think Germany has an influx of illegals at nearly the same rate as us. Also I don't think Turkish immigrants are crossing into Germany with Turkish Army issued weapons.... I'm just saying.

At one time in Germany a child could be born to parents that were born in Germany and still not be a German citizen. There was some recent reform to that system. Not sure how it currently stands.

[nynco]

While that's a s****y example, and a bit extreme, do you know who pays for the guy who can't afford healthcare? We do! And in a universal healthcare system everyone pays for everyone. And what about those of us who rarely (if ever) go to the doctor? Oh yeah, we have to pay into the pot too, we can't opt out of it if it's universal and mandatory. So my hard earned money goes to Pablo and his family to get fixed up, instead of maybe going into investments to pay for my retirement, or my children's college fund. I guess my money isn't really my money. Hmm, socialism, seemed to work great of the Nazis.
Perfect example- every s**tbag that can't afford insurance or whatever, goes and abuses the current system by walking into the ER just raised the price. The billing department knows they are going to bill the person, but the person can't afford it... loss. So who pays the bill? Everyone else. Wait until it's only affordable by the richest people, then tell me if Mr. Cough deserves to get a free pass when we're all dying.

Yeah and it would have cost you less money to treat the one poor guy rather than the whole family who got sick from him. This example ,while to you seems extreme, it is not. TB is real and its growing and getting worse. Its getting to be resistant to drugs more and more. Its just one of many diseases. So the more people in society who don't get treatment for it or many other forms of illness, the faster they spread. Which means more people will get it and all of society pays more in the end.

But hey....... me first right

[nynco]

Would healthcare have helped the original guy with TB?

Yes, he could have gotten treatment and have been cured. But not all people can be cured. TB hits some hard and some people can live for a while with it. At one time before modern medicine TB was a huge menace. Esp back in the 1800s.
Examples famous people who died of TB (George Orwell did) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tuberculosis_cases
What is TB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis

If nothing else, the guy with TB would have know what he had and how he could kill that child with his cough. He could have been instructed to wear a mask to prevent or cut down on transmission.

[hatidua]

Well the response was just so damn funny I had to post it!


I think that the government has no place taking away a woman's right to choose or denying any two adults the right to be married regardless of the sex of their partner.


I think we spend too much money on defense and not enough on education.

I will always support the men and women who serve in our armed forces but that doesn't mean I have to agree with every decision made by our government on where, when and why to send them, and this does not make me any less of an American.

I can agree with the crazy liberal woman as far as the highlighted parts.

I'm straight and have been married to the same woman for over 20 years, if a couple of gay guys want to get married, that's not going to negatively affect me one bit.

We are falling behind many other countries in terms of education and it will eventually catch up to us....if it hasn't already.

I see no point in a handful of recent military interventions we've undertaken as a nation - absolutely pointless loss of American life with no financial, political, or security return on the investment.

Hmmm.....maybe I'm a crazy liberal too

[Hoosier]

And what about those of us who rarely (if ever) go to the doctor?

Brother, enjoy your good health but don't count on that statement being true your entire life. Once you learn the joys of dealing with health insurance companies, you will also wish a pox upon their house.

H.

[Ronin13]

Brother, enjoy your good health but don't count on that statement being true your entire life. Once you learn the joys of dealing with health insurance companies, you will also wish a pox upon their house.

H.

Thankfully I'm covered by the VA for the rest of my life... if anything comes out of any injuries or illness sustained from service I'm good. New nightmare- I worked security and OP for a burn pit in Afghanistan for a while, they just started getting new cases popping up with pulmonary issues relating to that, so my good health may not last long... but I'm covered.
Maybe when I have a family and all that I'll worry, but until then I really can see this issue of abuse getting worse until we get a good viable fix.

[nynco]

Thankfully I'm covered by the VA for the rest of my life... if anything comes out of any injuries or illness sustained from service I'm good. New nightmare- I worked security and OP for a burn pit in Afghanistan for a while, they just started getting new cases popping up with pulmonary issues relating to that, so my good health may not last long... but I'm covered.
Maybe when I have a family and all that I'll worry, but until then I really can see this issue of abuse getting worse until we get a good viable fix.

So you are happy you yourself have socialized healthcare but you don't think your fellow citizens deserve the same treatment?

[DFBrews]

So you are happy you yourself have socialized healthcare but you don't think your fellow citizens deserve the same treatment?

he earned his healthcare by writing a blank check...

[Ronin13]

So you are happy you yourself have socialized healthcare but you don't think your fellow citizens deserve the same treatment?

How is VA Healthcare socialized? It's obvious you have no idea what hoops and crap I have to go through just to get help. Granted I don't have to pay for it, but that's something I earned through my service to this country (and at great cost to my future health and well being). I'd much rather not have a disability rating and be eligible for regular healthcare like the rest of my family. I have a jacked up shoulder that will require surgery within the next few years, but will have to jump through hoops just to get it. I have recurring neck pain from surgery I had to get a year ago. I have other illness and injury that will haunt me later. I don't think the VA is doing a good enough job because just getting an appointment to be looked at by a specialist takes 3-6 months, not to mention a referral. So no, I don't think my fellow citizens deserve the same treatment, they deserve better. I already am in groups pushing to improve the VA system, but it's the system I have to use and I'm glad it's there. Me and my fellow veterans suffer injuries and illness that normal drs are ill equipped to handle, that's why we have our separate system. So by you saying that I live by a double standard is just wrong and irresponsible. Frankly, I'd rather there be a good, viable fix, one that doesn't promote abuse, one that doesn't promote a communist/socialist way of doing things, and one that provides the best standard of medicine available... oh and before I forget, one that the President and Congress fall under as well.