Funny email from a crazy liberal

[bellavite1]

Why we should treat everyone.............

Guy walks into a hospital with a cough. In your world the hospital turns him away. Sorry guy with cough, you can't pay, GTFO. Guy with cough (GWC) goes back onto the streets meets you, your wife, your children and you all are in an elevator (or where ever does not really matter) he goes into a coughing fit. HACK HACK HACK...he just can't stop. You and your wife and kids including your 2 month old child, get off the elevator early because you think its nasty.
As you get out you shout - "Why don't you get yourself checked out by a Dr? ya nasty jerk"
GWC replies through his coughing - "I tried........ but they denied me care because I could not pay for it, sorry about my cough."

About a week later your wife, your kid and your child all get a fever. You think thats odd.... you even go to the Dr. He tells you, you have the flu. You all get bed rest. But then you all start to cough and cough and cough. Your Dr does not understand why. But soon enough a month later after coughing so much they finally see on an Xray why you are coughing.

Congratulations......... you and the rest of your family now have Tuberculosis (TB) Not just any TB but the strains that are very strong.

Dr's try to treat your family. But your child is the first to die. Babies immune systems are just not strong enough for that. Your baby dies drowning in her own blood in her lungs from TB lesions.

Your other child........ she fights for a while but after a year and so many medical bills. All the while your insurance company is denying care... with you on the phone every day trying to keep them paying the bills to keep her alive. Well, the insurance company stopped paying and the hospital kicks her out. She dies at home. She might have lived through it. But hey, insurance company has got to make a profit and you could not pay your bills.

Your wife. Well she is like the walking dead. She hacks all the time but the Drs think she will live.

You on the other hand are a broken man with both kids dead way before their time.



All this could have been prevented had you treated the original guy who could not pay who had TB in its early stages.

A society where only money matters and only those who can pay deserve healthcare is a sick society. A society whose sickness will spread....... just like TB.

Cough cough

Let ME tell you how it works, since I come from a country (Italy) that does actually have public health care:
Guy gets in the hospital and, after coughing for 5 hours in an overcrowded waiting room and infecting everybody around him, gets a doctor to look him up.
However the doctor just came out of school and effectively uses his patients as practicing tools.
He must get enough experience working for cheap (at least he thinks he is working for cheap) in the public health care so he can actually start working in a private clinic and make a lot of money curing people that can afford a REAL doctor.
Or maybe he never made it in the private sector because he is a demotivated loser, you pick.
The doctor misdiagnoses him.
Gives him a cough syrup and sends him home.
You all get into the elevator with him...

[n8tive97]

So you are happy you yourself have socialized healthcare but you don't think your fellow citizens deserve the same treatment?

Wow... way out of line.
He deserves a hell of allot more than that (VA), and that is a slap in the face for all he has sacrificed!

[nynco]

Let ME tell you how it works, since I come from a country (Italy) that does actually have public health care:
Guy gets in the hospital and, after coughing for 5 hours in an overcrowded waiting room and infecting everybody around him, gets a doctor to look him up.
However the doctor just came out of school and effectively uses his patients as practicing tools.
He must get enough experience working for cheap (at least he thinks he is working for cheap) in the public health care so he can actually start working in a private clinic and make a lot of money curing people that can afford a REAL doctor.
Or maybe he never made it in the private sector because he is a demotivated loser, you pick.
The doctor misdiagnoses him.
Gives him a cough syrup and sends him home.
You all get into the elevator with him...

Let me tell you how America works......... its the same. You just don't know about it.

[nynco]

Wow... way out of line.
He deserves a hell of allot more than that (VA), and that is a slap in the face for all he has sacrificed!

Wrong, I never said he did not deserve care. I think he should have that and more. I just think that ALL Americans deserve some basic form of healthcare too. Not just veterans. Did he earn that? Sure and I would fight for his rights to get even better care. But to say that your fellow country men that he fought to keep free deserve nothing is not right either.

[Hoosier]

Thankfully I'm covered by the VA for the rest of my life...

HFS! So you have socialized health care, and you are arguing against it?

Mind: blown.

H.

[nynco]

How is VA Healthcare socialized? It's obvious you have no idea what hoops and crap I have to go through just to get help. Granted I don't have to pay for it, but that's something I earned through my service to this country (and at great cost to my future health and well being). I'd much rather not have a disability rating and be eligible for regular healthcare like the rest of my family. I have a jacked up shoulder that will require surgery within the next few years, but will have to jump through hoops just to get it. I have recurring neck pain from surgery I had to get a year ago. I have other illness and injury that will haunt me later. I don't think the VA is doing a good enough job because just getting an appointment to be looked at by a specialist takes 3-6 months, not to mention a referral. So no, I don't think my fellow citizens deserve the same treatment, they deserve better. I already am in groups pushing to improve the VA system, but it's the system I have to use and I'm glad it's there. Me and my fellow veterans suffer injuries and illness that normal drs are ill equipped to handle, that's why we have our separate system. So by you saying that I live by a double standard is just wrong and irresponsible. Frankly, I'd rather there be a good, viable fix, one that doesn't promote abuse, one that doesn't promote a communist/socialist way of doing things, and one that provides the best standard of medicine available... oh and before I forget, one that the President and Congress fall under as well.

Ronin, I feel the same way as you. But to say the VA is not Socialize medicine is to admit you don't understand what the VA is at its core. It is socialize medicine for Veterans. Did you earn the right to be seen in that socialized medical system. Sure and I will fight to make sure you get better care than the standard that is todays VA. To give the VA credit. It has come a long way. Sadly due to the recent influx of so many Veterans and congress not paying for their care, the VA is strapped. War costs money....... and it costs for decades after in the lives of those who served. The cost of war does not stop when the bombs stop dropping.

I just think that ALL American deserve some basic level of care that will not force them into bankruptcy for any of the things that can happen to you in life. We can chose to have a society like that. Or we can chose to turn our back on our fellow country men. To me it is the path of honor to have healthcare for all Americans. Its not cheap (in the long term I feel its cheaper), but to me, its the right thing to do.

[Ronin13]

HFS! So you have socialized health care, and you are arguing against it?

Mind: blown.

H.

Arguing against doing the current way they propose! It's not 100% socialized, there are stipulations to VA Health coverage (such as certain disability rating). While not every Veteran gets it, those that do there are some rules to it. I'm not saying a universal healthcare is wrong, but for crying out loud do it right. Frankly all these attacks against me saying I'm a hypocrite (and not in so many words but I can read between the lines) are a bit unnerving as you totally disregard the point I'm trying to make. George W. Bush even said it, our current system is broken, it's open to abuse, and we have too many people without coverage that need it. But exempting lawmakers and the president himself is wrong. Making sub-standard care the norm is also wrong. Health insurance is a luxury in this country, and yes that I feel is wrong. I don't think only the rich should be able to afford it, I know people who need it but don't have it, then there are others who have it and don't need it. Something is wrong here, but I'm not smart enough on this topic to propose the fix.

[nynco]

Arguing against doing the current way they propose! It's not 100% socialized, there are stipulations to VA Health coverage (such as certain disability rating). While not every Veteran gets it, those that do there are some rules to it. I'm not saying a universal healthcare is wrong, but for crying out loud do it right. Frankly all these attacks against me saying I'm a hypocrite (and not in so many words but I can read between the lines) are a bit unnerving as you totally disregard the point I'm trying to make. George W. Bush even said it, our current system is broken, it's open to abuse, and we have too many people without coverage that need it. But exempting lawmakers and the president himself is wrong. Making sub-standard care the norm is also wrong. Health insurance is a luxury in this country, and yes that I feel is wrong. I don't think only the rich should be able to afford it, I know people who need it but don't have it, then there are others who have it and don't need it. Something is wrong here, but I'm not smart enough on this topic to propose the fix.

Ronin don't take it personally. Or at least know that I personally was not trying to insult you. At least not on purpose. But part of debate is getting your feelings hurt. Sadly the term "Socialist" is now used as a slur usually by people that don't understand the word either.


It's not 100% socialized, there are stipulations to VA Health coverage (such as certain disability rating) That just means that not everyone gets 100% of the socialized system. Why not end the rating system entirely and make all Americans qualify?

As a note. I don't like Obamacare.... I think its unconstitutional.

[clublights]

After reading all this I'm still left with my basic question...


How can anyone want the same folks that brought us gems like the DMV, 500 dollar hammers, and 1000 buck toilet seats be in control of everyone's medical care ?

The VA is just an example of what will happen for the rest of us. This is the same VA that a friend of mine had to spend weeks convincing he wasn't dead... Really he was standing there telling them he was alive.. and they kept telling him he was dead.

[nynco]

After reading all this I'm still left with my basic question...


How can anyone want the same folks that brought us gems like the DMV, 500 dollar hammers, and 1000 buck toilet seats be in control of everyone's medical care ?

The VA is just an example of what will happen for the rest of us. This is the same VA that a friend of mine had to spend weeks convincing he wasn't dead... Really he was standing there telling them he was alive.. and they kept telling him he was dead.

If you think todays private for profit healthcare system is not just as broke.... well you need to learn more. If you think gov is broke the answer is not all gov is bad. The answer is fix whats wrong. Efficiency is key. Why are we paying 1K for a hammer. There is corruption there and it needs to be fixed.

As to the DMV.... well they are a victim of budget shortcuts. You get what you pay for... or won't pay for. I for one think the DMV does not go far enough in some aspects. We need a better way to test for dumbass drivers. But we also need to find a way to cut through the bureaucratic red tape of the DMV too. In general after living in so many places all over the US, the DMV of Co is average.