Funny email from a crazy liberal

[Irving]

Zero government intervention leads to the creation of unions.

[nynco]

Zero government intervention leads to the creation of unions.

That is something I would like to hear more of? Why do you say that?

[Irving]

That is something I would like to hear more of? Why do you say that?

Unions were created to fight against unsafe work conditions. Eventually the government came along with organizations like OSHA and others to regulate working conditions. Now unions only serve to line the pockets of union bosses.

With ZERO government intervention, there might be fewer monopolies, but there might also be more unions. There might also be more power lines and sewer pipes as well though.

As was said before, it is all about the balance. Where do you lay the line?

Getting rid of lobbyists would probably be an excellent start.

[nynco]

Unions were created to fight against unsafe work conditions. Eventually the government came along with organizations like OSHA and others to regulate working conditions. Now unions only serve to line the pockets of union bosses.

With ZERO government intervention, there might be fewer monopolies, but there might also be more unions. There might also be more power lines and sewer pipes as well though.

As was said before, it is all about the balance. Where do you lay the line?

Getting rid of lobbyists would probably be an excellent start.

Sewers and power lines are part of the commons our society could never function in a system where you had 8 sewer lines into your house. Same goes for power lines. Its laughable to think so.

Zero gov intervention would lead to more monopolies. A companies only imperative is to maximize profit. The less competition the better for them. This leads to monopolies and cartels. Regulation is needed to mitigate this natural trend.

Yes Unions were created to fight for safer working conditions and OSHA does cover that some. But to say that Unions have no roll today is to say that gov is perfect. I am sure you don't think that at all. Therefore there is still a role for unions to play. They advocate for the worker just as the corporation advocates for the bottom line. Now is there corruption? Sure, nothing is perfect. But the solution is the fix the corruption not to abolish them.

Getting rid of lobbyists sounds good in theory, but they do serve a purpose. Now, I would say how they operate needs reform. They are corrupt now and that needs to be addressed. But if they did work as intended, they would add to our system. As to the proper reform. Much of it has to do with keeping our politicians from being bribed.

[sniper7]

Unions were created to fight against unsafe work conditions. Eventually the government came along with organizations like OSHA and others to regulate working conditions. Now unions only serve to line the pockets of union bosses.

Unions are still a necessary evil. companies want to make money for their investors, owners and shareholders. the workers want the company to succeed but to also make a good wage with good working environment.
I am in a union, and although I hate to give up my dues each month and there is corruption, they are still a necessary evil to protect our labor group from the company and what it would like to do if not for our contract and the national union and government backing as well as arbitration when it gets to that point.

[Irving]

Unions are still a necessary evil. companies want to make money for their investors, owners and shareholders. the workers want the company to succeed but to also make a good wage with good working environment.
I am in a union, and although I hate to give up my dues each month and there is corruption, they are still a necessary evil to protect our labor group from the company and what it would like to do if not for our contract and the national union and government backing as well as arbitration when it gets to that point.

I've never been in a Union in my whole life.

[Zundfolge]

20 million illegals aren't going back home- not gonna happen.

Actually many of them ARE going home due to the lack of jobs here. So far this is the only positive effect of Obama, Reid and Pilosi's pograms (its unintentional but I guess one should give credit where credit is due ).

There's no need to "round 'em up" ... just create an environment where illegals have a harder time finding work (by coming down hard on businesses that knowingly hire them) and you'll find them deciding to go home on their own.

We won't get rid of all of them, but get the numbers down under 10 million and they become significantly less a drag on the system.

I've never been in a Union in my whole life.

Same here ... and I never will either.

Growing up in Wichita Kansas I saw how the Machinists Union stole from the aircraft workers (Boeing, Cessna, Learjet and Hawker-Beechcraft have much of their operations there), made them strike when it suited the union leadership (thus harming the workers even further ... it takes several years for a worker to recover from a strike ... but the union bosses are made richer) and turned honest, decent working people into greedy, lazy, glorified welfare recipients.

[Ronin13]

Too much has happened in this thread since I looked at it last night. I've been left behind.

Haha, same here.

Actually many of them ARE going home due to the lack of jobs here. So far this is the only positive effect of Obama, Reid and Pilosi's pograms (its unintentional but I guess one should give credit where credit is due ).

There's no need to "round 'em up" ... just create an environment where illegals have a harder time finding work (by coming down hard on businesses that knowingly hire them) and you'll find them deciding to go home on their own.

We won't get rid of all of them, but get the numbers down under 10 million and they become significantly less a drag on the system.
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Growing up in Wichita Kansas I saw how the Machinists Union stole from the aircraft workers (Boeing, Cessna, Learjet and Hawker-Beechcraft have much of their operations there), made them strike when it suited the union leadership (thus harming the workers even further ... it takes several years for a worker to recover from a strike ... but the union bosses are made richer) and turned honest, decent working people into greedy, lazy, glorified welfare recipients.

I agree, I think by making it damn near impossible to find work will force them to leave, but the problem is: so many companies operate under the radar and "appropriate" funding to pay borderjumpers under the table that it all slips through the cracks, even when it comes time for an audit. So what do we do? Create another .gov entity and name it the "Illegal Workforce Enforcement Agency"? Hardly think that will work. It's too often that these cases don't get the attention they deserve, companies are fined- which the owners/managers should realize that if caught they could be forced out of business and just put more people out of work- bad, yes, but employees should report illegal practices, just like if a air bag manufacturer put a bunch of frangible pieces on top of the bag.