Funny email from a crazy liberal

[nynco]

Zero government intervention leads to the creation of unions.

That is something I would like to hear more of? Why do you say that?

[nynco]

Do you know someone or have family in Germany? Because I have three friends that were born and raised there, and they sewm to hate the healthcare system there. Two of them are moving here because in their words, "all of our doctors moved there because they couldnt pay their bills here". They have said waiting times for treatments is ridiculous, and all the healthcae workers are sub par. I hear the same thing from my friends in Finland as well. seems to me it doesn't work. Or my good friend whoa dad died as a Canadian citizen, it only took them 16 weeks to complete the autopsy, and she only had to wait 2 more minths for the death certificate. Social healthcare is not the answer.

Are their systems perfect? Far from it. But at least their system covers all citizens. Ours fails at that miserably.

[Irving]

That is something I would like to hear more of? Why do you say that?

Unions were created to fight against unsafe work conditions. Eventually the government came along with organizations like OSHA and others to regulate working conditions. Now unions only serve to line the pockets of union bosses.

With ZERO government intervention, there might be fewer monopolies, but there might also be more unions. There might also be more power lines and sewer pipes as well though.

As was said before, it is all about the balance. Where do you lay the line?

Getting rid of lobbyists would probably be an excellent start.

[n8tive97]

No one has brought up the huge expense with all the frivolous lawsuits? It's a huge roll down hill to the consumer problem as well. How do these other countries handle those?

[Byte Stryke]

Do you know someone or have family in Germany? Because I have three friends that were born and raised there, and they seem to hate the healthcare system there. Two of them are moving here because in their words, "all of our doctors moved there because they couldn't pay their bills here". They have said waiting times for treatments is ridiculous, and all the healthcare workers are sub par. I hear the same thing from my friends in Finland as well. seems to me it doesn't work. Or my good friend whoa dad died as a Canadian citizen, it only took them 16 weeks to complete the autopsy, and she only had to wait 2 more months for the death certificate. Social healthcare is not the answer.

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[Irving]

No one has brought up the huge expense with all the frivolous lawsuits? It's a huge roll down hill to the consumer problem as well. How do these other countries handle those?

I'd think that a large part of the cost has to do with the fact that prices are automatically raised when an insurance company becomes involved. It is the exact same thing with body shops. I'm sure anyone in the auto body business could tell you that.

Hospitals don't even itemize the bills that they send to insurance companies. How can cost be controlled when no one even knows what the cost is?

[bryjcom]

I would argue the same for your post. How has gov mis-regulated is the crux of the issue. Because there has to be gov regulation. Whether that regulation is functioning in the best interest of the citizens of this nation or whether it functions to fuck the people in favor of Wallstreet profit is the problem.

Byte Strike post is an admission that there has to be a balance. As to where that balance is, that is the debate.

Have you ever heard of the Joint Commission???

They are a "non profit" org that inspects health care facilities on behalf of the government. My mother worked there and her fiance worked there as well.

I have a buddy thats works with the Cyber Knife industry which has to do with cancer treatment and they all call the Joint Commission the "Gestapo" of health care. Basically they come and inspect your facility and if your doors open the wrong way or something like that they will fine you and if you refuse to comply you loose your ability to collect medicare payments.

Its not only the taxes and fees the government charges, along with the undercutting of payments for services, but its also the cost of government compliance that has increased the cost of HC for all of us.

[nynco]

Unions were created to fight against unsafe work conditions. Eventually the government came along with organizations like OSHA and others to regulate working conditions. Now unions only serve to line the pockets of union bosses.

With ZERO government intervention, there might be fewer monopolies, but there might also be more unions. There might also be more power lines and sewer pipes as well though.

As was said before, it is all about the balance. Where do you lay the line?

Getting rid of lobbyists would probably be an excellent start.

Sewers and power lines are part of the commons our society could never function in a system where you had 8 sewer lines into your house. Same goes for power lines. Its laughable to think so.

Zero gov intervention would lead to more monopolies. A companies only imperative is to maximize profit. The less competition the better for them. This leads to monopolies and cartels. Regulation is needed to mitigate this natural trend.

Yes Unions were created to fight for safer working conditions and OSHA does cover that some. But to say that Unions have no roll today is to say that gov is perfect. I am sure you don't think that at all. Therefore there is still a role for unions to play. They advocate for the worker just as the corporation advocates for the bottom line. Now is there corruption? Sure, nothing is perfect. But the solution is the fix the corruption not to abolish them.

Getting rid of lobbyists sounds good in theory, but they do serve a purpose. Now, I would say how they operate needs reform. They are corrupt now and that needs to be addressed. But if they did work as intended, they would add to our system. As to the proper reform. Much of it has to do with keeping our politicians from being bribed.

[nynco]

Have you ever heard of the Joint Commission???

They are a "non profit" org that inspects health care facilities on behalf of the government. My mother worked there and her fiance worked there as well.

I have a buddy thats works with the Cyber Knife industry which has to do with cancer treatment and they all call the Joint Commission the "Gestapo" of health care. Basically they come and inspect your facility and if your doors open the wrong way or something like that they will fine you and if you refuse to comply you loose your ability to collect medicare payments.

Its not only the taxes and fees the government charges, along with the undercutting of payments for services, but its also the cost of government compliance that has increased the cost of HC for all of us.

Yes I know exactly what JACHO is. I have been through several of their inspections. My first one over a decade ago. Hospitals and other healthcare facilities spend a great deal of time doing horse and pony shows for them. I know that all too well.

JACHO serves a purpose that compliments gov. JACHO does not write all the regulations. They do write some of their own guidelines. They make suggestions and also inspect to see if a facility is in compliance with federal and state regulations too. In my opinion if the gov did its job properly JACHO would have no job. But, I don't care, their inspections help patients in the end and I like more than one set of eyes keeping people safe.

but its also the cost of government compliance that has increased the cost of HC for all of us. I am very thankful for gov compliance. Those regulations keep you and your loved ones alive. If there were no regulations from gov and the only thing that mattered was profit, you could be damn sure that many people would die for no other reason than it made someone a buck. I don't want the "Free Market" to be the only factor. Sorry, I would rather trust in standards than a system of buyer beware.

[nynco]

I'd think that a large part of the cost has to do with the fact that prices are automatically raised when an insurance company becomes involved. It is the exact same thing with body shops. I'm sure anyone in the auto body business could tell you that.

Hospitals don't even itemize the bills that they send to insurance companies. How can cost be controlled when no one even knows what the cost is?

Yes costs go up because of insurance companies. It costs hospitals and Drs a great deal of cash to pay someone in the office whose only job it is, is to fight the medical insurance companies to get you your healthcare you deserve. Insurance companies do nothing but leach off the system. They are parasites. They provide no care or service except to hold the purse strings up. Many people have died because some idiot on the other line who knew nothing about the illness told the Dr NO. They were thinking of profit alone and the Dr was thinking about saving your kids life.

They are parasites with a motivation to kill for even more profit. If we can't kill them off, then we need to end the for profit system.

No one should die so wallstreet can make more money. A business model should not be built on killing people to maximize profit. Its evil and immoral.