unleashed dogs

[nynco]

Just curious how come? My 'pure' bulldog has the greatest personality I've ever seen on a dog...imho

while not true for all pure breed dogs, some have been inbreed or bred for looks and not for proper intelligence or temperament. This is why many dog breeders from Germany or other places overseas don't want to send dogs here. They think our AKC standards are bad for the health of dogs. I have to agree. A good example of bad breeding is cocker spaniels. Many of them are so inbred that they piss themselves if you just pet them. This is caused by breeders who bred for looks not for health.

As to off leash dogs. Guy with new dog. Best way to train a dog to become off leash is to get a giant 20 foot piece of rope. Go to a large park somewhere and play with him. Distractions are not bad things here, they help train. let the dog out farther and farther. Commanding him with your voice. get to the point where you can drop the rope and command him with your voice. The second the dog tries to bolt, you have 20 feet of rope to step on. The dog will also hear your voice and not see your hands stopping him. soon enough you won't need the rope. Also don't be afraid to be alpha male. You must be top dog. Don't be that owner that coddles the dog like a baby all the time. You won't do him any favors in the long run. Also a dog who is trained off leash may save its life one day. Say the dog runs in the street. If you can't command it not to, bam......... road kill.

Also watch that show the "Dog Whisperer" I thought it sounded like crap till my girl finally got me to watch it. I have to say its one of my favorite shows now. It also has taught me a great deal. Its like free dog training advice each time.

[10x]

I will make one more comment. My dog is not a problem one on one. The issue was two or three large dogs surrounding us and both the dog and I got nervous. In each case the dogs crossed a street or an equivalent distance to reach us. It is their owners responsibility to control their dogs. That is why there are leash laws. I cannot fend off multiple large dogs without something like a stun gun. I don't want my dog running into the street or breaking loose and something happening to her.

[hatidua]

I cannot fend off multiple large dogs without something like a stun gun.

You've been given several very worthwhile suggestions for sound related devices that work very well and yet you seem obsessed with a "stun gun". Fend off? They are having the canine equivalent of a meet-n-greet.

While I absolutely do not care what happens to you if you stun someone's dog, I can all but guarantee that it won't go quite how you seem to imagine it going. The dog falling to the ground isn't going to be the end of your perceived problems, that's just when things are going to get started in ernest.

For many of us, dogs are part of the family. Stun-gun my dog or human child, my reaction won't differ one little bit. And that reaction isn't going to be "thank you sir for setting my child/dog straight", it's going to be quite different from that.

[Byte Stryke]

spent a while looking for the article, cant find it.

~1998-2001?
key points:

Woman walking through the park had a large dog rush her.
She was a wolf-attack survivor.
Shot and killed the Dog.
Owner then attacked her.
She Shoots and kills Dog owner.
Acquitted on right to defend.

anyone else remember this?
seems to me it was north somewhere Longmont, Loveland or fort Collins?

[10x]

You don't think my dog is not part of my family? Why do you think I am unhappy about this?

You seem to missing the point that my dog was the one being scared by the other dogs (plural). The point is my dog did not take these incidents as meet and greet. They did not attack but did intimidate and chased my dog around me with yipping and crying by my dog. I do not agree that my dog has to be a victim while the loose dogs can go their merry way when they are chasing my dog around me. As I said before I chewed out the owners in each case. They were wrong in each case.

I am not going to have my dog get hurt.

[Ronin13]

spent a while looking for the article, cant find it.

~1998-2001?
key points:

Woman walking through the park had a large dog rush her.
She was a wolf-attack survivor.
Shot and killed the Dog.
Owner then attacked her.
She Shoots and kills Dog owner.
Acquitted on right to defend.

anyone else remember this?
seems to me it was north somewhere Longmont, Loveland or fort Collins?

Did she over react? Or was it a legitimate fear of attack? If someone shot my dog, and it wouldn't be because he was attacking, he is much to nice for that and trained better- I'd shoot them back, but that's just because there could be a perceived threat from my dog, but he would never bite unless provoked.

[jplove71]

The issue was two or three large dogs surrounding us and both the dog and I got nervous.

That's the problem right there. You really need to watch Cesar Milan on his show called The Dog Whisperer on National Geographic. I have watched his show for several years now and, time and again, owners being nervous around strange dogs are a HUGE issue.

I'm not pointing this out to pick on you but to let you know what the problem is. His website, Cesar's Way, has a ton of information regarding dogs, their owners, and behavior characteristics of each and how the influence each other.

My suggestion to you is this: read about dogs

I'm pointing this about because I used to own (ex-wife got him ) a pure bred (AKC registered) pit bull and did quite a bit of research on the breed, how to train it, and what to expect from those not familiar with it.

It saved my ass more than once.

[nynco]

spent a while looking for the article, cant find it.

~1998-2001?
key points:

Woman walking through the park had a large dog rush her.
She was a wolf-attack survivor.
Shot and killed the Dog.
Owner then attacked her.
She Shoots and kills Dog owner.
Acquitted on right to defend.

anyone else remember this?
seems to me it was north somewhere Longmont, Loveland or fort Collins?

Byte Strike. there was a perceived threat to life for both instances. I can not say if the woman over reacted to the dog. I have to defer to the court. Part of the problem lies with that fact that dogs are always under humans in the pecking order. So the woman could have been charged with animal cruelty. But as to why that did not happen, not enough is known from your posting to say.

[Byte Stryke]

Did she over react? Or was it a legitimate fear of attack? If someone shot my dog, and it wouldn't be because he was attacking, he is much to nice for that and trained better- I'd shoot them back, but that's just because there could be a perceived threat from my dog, but he would never bite unless provoked.

Ahh, so you have a large sign on your dog that says "I am a nice dog and I am just being friendly."

and as far as shooting someone for shooting a dog that was charging them. I'll bring you cigarettes and condoms.

This is why most municipalities have leash laws.
Let your dog jump on me or my kid.
even if the dog isnt shot, he may not go home depending on Animal control and the courts, and you sure as fuck better have allot of insurance.

Animals are a responsibility, Like cars and Guns, If your Animal knocks someone over, attacks someone, violates leash or waste LAWS you will be held criminally and civilly liable.

why is this hard to understand?

[nynco]

Ahh, so you have a large sign on your dog that says "I am a nice dog and I am just being friendly."

and as far as shooting someone for shooting a dog that was charging them. I'll bring you cigarettes and condoms.

This is why most municipalities have leash laws.
Let your dog jump on me or my kid.
even if the dog isnt shot, he may not go home depending on Animal control and the courts, and you sure as fuck better have allot of insurance.

Animals are a responsibility, Like cars and Guns, If your Animal knocks someone over, attacks someone, violates leash or waste LAWS you will be held criminally and civilly liable.

why is this hard to understand?

Last time I checked violating a Leash Law or Waste Law is not punishable by death. Now as to you perceiving a threat. Well that is grey area. I know I told my neighbor that if his pit bull gets lose again and charges me like he has done before, I will defend myself. That dog has attacked me and I perceive it as a threat. Which it is and so to is it to children it goes after. So far after telling the owner that to his face, that dog has not been loose since.

Now, not all dogs are the same and some municipalities have laws that permit off leash if the dog is well trained. Which I put in a lot of time making sure my dog was well trained. My dog listens to me and police who have seen her off leash realize that. They tend to give leeway to enforcement if the dog is under the owners control.

Dogs become problems because people don't know how to train them or properly socialize them.