I'll leave this little gem here,

[Ranger]

Do you have a mirror near by?

Amen, brother A-M-E-N. Head, wall, hitting....

[tmleadr03]

Amen, brother A-M-E-N. Head, wall, hitting....

And quoting progressive websites does not make for a convincing argument. Sorry. It just does not. Especially since not only have I read the left view of the numbers game, I have read the right. Then I took both those and compared it to what I came up with on my own looking at the IRS and .gov info with out the spin, just the numbers.

Then there is the history angle. More and more the history books are being changed. What our kids are being taught in schools these days are... spun, for lack of a better word, to reflect the views of the teachers. FDR was not a fiscal conservative. If the plans he enacted are soooooooo beneficial then why did the depression last longer and was worse in our country then in others that did not go on a massive spending spree like he did?

All I have heard are made up numbers with out backing and re-written history.

While I might have the time to argue against his "points" right now it does not mean it is not a waste of time to do so. By seeing what he is quoting and how he is presenting his arguments you can see that he has drunk the koolaid but still believes that he is a free thinker. You are not going to change his mind. And this thread raises my BP just reading it.

[Ranger]

Yea, mine too, but I always like getting into a political debate with folks who do drink too much Koolaid. It's fun to see how bent out of shape they get - but I don't get to see the red-in-the-face that I enjoy so much when debating in person!

[nynco]

And quoting progressive websites does not make for a convincing argument. Sorry. It just does not. Especially since not only have I read the left view of the numbers game, I have read the right. Then I took both those and compared it to what I came up with on my own looking at the IRS and .gov info with out the spin, just the numbers.

Then there is the history angle. More and more the history books are being changed. What our kids are being taught in schools these days are... spun, for lack of a better word, to reflect the views of the teachers. FDR was not a fiscal conservative. If the plans he enacted are soooooooo beneficial then why did the depression last longer and was worse in our country then in others that did not go on a massive spending spree like he did?

All I have heard are made up numbers with out backing and re-written history.

While I might have the time to argue against his "points" right now it does not mean it is not a waste of time to do so. By seeing what he is quoting and how he is presenting his arguments you can see that he has drunk the koolaid but still believes that he is a free thinker. You are not going to change his mind. And this thread raises my BP just reading it.

Well the crux of your proving me wrong is you don't agree with the messenger. Why else just whine about it being a liberal site. I can understand not taking the time to prove me wrong. Its your time. But don't expect me not to point out when you are using a "Kill The Messenger, ad hominem" logical fallacy.

As to who writes the history books and you thinking they are crap. Well TX sets the standards for all textbooks in America. Read up on the issue, you will see that liberals don't TX does. They do that because of their mass buying power and them having nutballs on the TX school textbook review board. I think one of the most glaring examples was taking out lessons about the founders of this nation and citing Newt and Rush Limbaugh as sources for anything.

As to the numbers...... historical fact..... the middle class has lost ground steadily since Reagan...While the wealthy have more than quadrupled their wealth. But that fact is always left out of the right wing sites. Why? Because it does not support their position.

[Ranger]

Nynco, you get the last word so congratulations. I've put enough energy into this now way out of control thread already. I'll battle you again in the future, I promise!

[nynco]

Nynco, you get the last word so congratulations. I've put enough energy into this now way out of control thread already. I'll battle you again in the future, I promise!

Ranger.... I say this honestly. Thanks for the healthy debate. I think both sides need to discuss more and stop just listening to those they already agree with. The more we do this, the better our nation will become and the faster we may find the solutions to our issues.

If only we could get the congress to be less dysfunctional too.

[DOC]

Stop proselytizing.......

Proselytizing is the act of attempting to convert people to another opinion and, particularly, another religion. The word proselytize is derived ultimately from the Greek language prefix 'πρός' (toward) and the verb 'ηλυτος' (went). Historically in the Koine Greek Septuagint and New Testament, the word proselyte denoted a gentile who was considering conversion to Judaism. Though the word proselytism originally referred to Early Christianity (and earlier Gentiles), it also refers to other religions' attempts to convert people to their beliefs or even any attempt to convert people to another point of view, religious or not. Today, the connotations of proselytizing are often negative and the word is commonly used to describe attempts to force people to convert; however, this article will be using it in the more neutral meaning of attempting to convert.


Good word. I had to look it up. I'm not convinced yet but all my time on forum boards or newsgroups there is a guy like this. It could be the same guy since the right doesn't imprison those that disagree with them like the left does, because they are right and not super uptight about things. But he could have found his way over hear. He'll be set on spreading bad information get banned then come back under a different name.
Its fun to catch him in a lie, because they all tend to be lies. However, he doesn't learn anything and will just keep coming back with the same lame ass talking points.
I for one was enjoying the peace and quiet here. I guess those days are over, time to adjust and confront.
Oops, I meant to quote Ranger and not nynco since it was his word. But the story in the same.