arrrgggg , what the F*CK!!!!!

[Marlin]

Why do you think I got so disillusioned doing it.

[alxone]

Why do you think I got so disillusioned doing it.

i now see why there is no clean up section on the forum . the best we can do is pick up more than we bring in and hope others do the same .

[Byte Stryke]

I know why we dont just "hope others do the same."


Left-Hand Canyon.


Its a fucking shame that people expect others to clean up after them.
well I guess after all of the open sites get shut down the shitheads can go pay at a public pay-range.

[Ronin13]

i now see why there is no clean up section on the forum . the best we can do is pick up more than we bring in and hope others do the same .

I don't think there needs to be a clean up section. Most I know on here when they go shoot clean up after themselves and usually take more out than they brought in. I understand your concerns and all, and don't take this as a personal attack, but it just appears to me, through simple observation, that you can get a little obsessive over the whole "clean up the ranges campaign." I too would be very pissed at this situation, but hate to be the one to tell you, there are d-bags and a-holes out there, it's just the way it is... best we can do is try to logically and rationally educate people when we use our public land for our favorite sport and pastime.

[Byte Stryke]

best we can do is try to logically and rationally educate people when we use our public land for our favorite sport and pastime.

man I hate to break this to you... left hand canyon is closed for this very reason.

trash, damage and human waste...

and its not getting any better.

[alxone]

I don't think there needs to be a clean up section. Most I know on here when they go shoot clean up after themselves and usually take more out than they brought in. I understand your concerns and all, and don't take this as a personal attack, but it just appears to me, through simple observation, that you can get a little obsessive over the whole "clean up the ranges campaign." I too would be very pissed at this situation, but hate to be the one to tell you, there are d-bags and a-holes out there, it's just the way it is... best we can do is try to logically and rationally educate people when we use our public land for our favorite sport and pastime.

yes you are correct , but i was trying to educate by example . there have been plenty of days when no forum members show up but random people jump in only because they see someone else doing it . on a whole south site is a cleaner place and not just from my efforts . left hand is still a toilet .i might be a bit over zealous about trying to include folks but hey , you cant get people involved by not being excited about it. dont worry ill go back to keeping it to myself .you wont have to read it any more and the visitors to the forum who would not normally get involved can stay uninvolved .

[nynco]

The best we can all do is lead by example and scold those who don't live up to the standards.

[Ronin13]

yes you are correct , but i was trying to educate by example . there have been plenty of days when no forum members show up but random people jump in only because they see someone else doing it . on a whole south site is a cleaner place and not just from my efforts . left hand is still a toilet .i might be a bit over zealous about trying to include folks but hey , you cant get people involved by not being excited about it. dont worry ill go back to keeping it to myself .you wont have to read it any more and the visitors to the forum who would not normally get involved can stay uninvolved .

I wasn't saying for you to stop- I agree with you that your range clean up thread should be sticky for those interested in meeting up. I would love to get involved but my job gets in the way (and distance wise I'd love to just help out at Squaw) for mid-week days. I would love to go shoot with some of you guys and clean up at Squaw, but it would have to be a weekend... I hate people who trash places and out of the 5 people I ask nicely to bring out more than they brought in I get ignored by 4. But we can still try.
I wasn't trying to silence you at all, I think it's important to try to keep these places nice, not just so they don't shut them down, but also because it's hazardous to the environment. I'll gladly donate my time and brass to the cause, but can't do it during weekdays.

[Marlin]

i now see why there is no clean up section on the forum . the best we can do is pick up more than we bring in and hope others do the same .

Don't get me wrong, I do commend you for doing it. Just after a couple of incidents, I'll pick up what I left and maybe a bit more. But, that's it.

I have given up on trying to get others to do it.

[Ah Pook]

Sadly, you're trying to piss on a forest fire. I fully support what you are doing but there are too many assholes fighting against us. I'm not talking about tree huggers, grouchy neighbors and the FS. I'm talking about the morons who trash the land, don't clean up after themselves and generally give shooting/off-roading a bad name.

There are still people who are trying to help. Take a look at the range clean up thread for some upcoming events.

I'd hate to see what you are doing go away because of a couple of bad encounters. Truth is that's everyday in the mountains. Guess ya gotta start somewhere.