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Bean bag rounds.....
First off let me be clear my home defense shotty stays full of 3" 00 buckwith that being said i would like the option of running non lethal in certain situations.....are these things worth the money http://www.keepshooting.com/12-gauge...bag-round.html ? are there other better non lethal options out there that i should be looking at?
My 'home defense' shotgun has bean bag rounds in it. Just my personal preference.
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
That's some pricy stuff
Cheaperthandirt has a few options for rubber pellets: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/34355-1.html
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/61955-1.html
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/61956-1.html
I've seen bean bags as low as $5 online, especially when you buy a 5 pack or something. I've wanted to buy some, but I'd want to shoot them too...
Rubber ball types are meant to be bounced on the ground prior to impact and not shot directly at a person. Bean bags, foam projectiles and the like are meant to be direct shot rounds.
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
Seems to me they would do a better job if you pointed them at the bad guy breaking into your house. Are there legal implications for using a less-than-lethal round, and it severely injuring someone? Especially in Colorado?Originally Posted by OneGuy67
Bouncing them off the ground and impacting the suspect's ankles and legs are what they are intended to be used for, according to the manufacturer who trains law enforcement on their use. Primarily used for crowd control, although I've seen them shot straight at a person (and the subsequent trip to the hospital to watch the doctor stick his fingers into the hole made and pop out the rubber ball or maneuver the ball out of the hole from the outside).
Every tool that law enforcement uses, they have to be trained in their use for liability issue sake. Most of that training comes from the manufacturers as they then cover their liability with the development of the training. All about the lawyers...
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
Forgive me for sounding argumentative, I'm actually curious about this as I'd love to have something less-than-lethal (that may even not put a fist sized hole through a few walls).
Are there implications for someone using against the masked man breaking into a home? I realize police are held to higher standard (being more "humane", etc) and therefore get all the disclaimers and training, but would using one at home be grounds for charges of excessive force? It seems like rubber pellets would be more humane than 00 buck, no matter the outcome, and buckshot seems to be the defense load of choice for many many people.
Thoughts?
I'd argue that if you weren't afraid for your life enough to use a lethal round, that you shouldn't have introduced a firearm into the situation in the first place.
"There are no finger prints under water."
That’s what I was thinking.
Prosecution - Mr. Trout Champ why did you shoot my client?
Me - He broke into my house and I was afraid for my life.
Prosecution - You were afraid for your life?
Me - Yes.
Prosecution - So you were scared enough to open fire and take another human’s life?
Me - Yes.
Prosecution - Then why did you use non-leathel bean bag rounds and shoot him in the face permanently disfiguring him??? My client now looks uglier than my mother-in-law with no makeup. Did I mention he cannot see, taste, smell or hear because of his injuries? Are you going to pay for his next ten surgeries to repair his face??? Well, are ya, are ya!!!!
Or so how I think it would go down.
Randy
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