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Easy response to that seems to be "I was attempting to stop the attack, not take a life. Once I disfigured his face, he stopped his assault, and I no longer felt my life was in danger, so I didn't have to shoot him again and take his life"
No? Not saying there wouldn't be something lethal behind the non-lethal round, in case it was needed, but it's just a thought.
I'm siding with the use a HD round if introducing a firearm to the situation and shoot to end the threat.
I think less than lethal enters a gray area that I'd rather not enter when it comes to self or home defense.
Interesting thought Stuart. I'll have to do some research on it.Originally Posted by Irving
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
To me it is the difference between keeping one axe sharp for splitting wood, and another one with a blunt edge for home defense.
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i keep my shotgun loaded up with 3in mags full of copper plated buckshot. You shot someone jacked up on meth with a bean bag he is going to get up an keep coming. if you want less lethal just shoot them with a 9mm...... just kidding dont flame.
I reviewed the statute and spoke to some aquaintences and we uniformly agree with each other (shocker, right?). Here is the 'make my day' statute:
18-1-704.5 (2)
"Notwithstanding the provisions of section 18-1-704, any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant."
So, by statute, you are justified to use ANY level of force, to include deadly physical force in the applicable situation. It isn't a matter of immediately going to deadly force as some imply; it is any level of force. So, if you have a baseball bat as a weapon, you don't have to swing for the bleachers at his head, you can crack a few ribs and break an arm and still be fine under the statute. Same goes for less lethal verses lethal shotgun rounds.
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
I've thought about those myself, but quickly changed my mind. You break in my house with the intent to hurt me and my family, you die... Plain and simple. Sorry for being off topic, OP
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Certainly some valid points from both sides on this one. Possibly you could consider the order in which the shotgun is loaded? For instance, I have mine loaded to where the first two shots out of the gun are buck, then a slug, then back to two buck. That is the order I like and it's the order I know. It allows me to adapt my game plan. Now if I fire two bucks and I still don't need the slug I can simply eject it by racking the slide again and I'm back another buck. It works well for me. You could load a bean bag round last so that you shoot ONE bean bag round and then you have bucks behind it. So for meth tweaker dude, you blast him with a bean bag. He doesn't like that and continues his assault, you already have bucks ready to rock. Just my .02
Ding ding ding. LE use non-lethal for a number of reasons, none of which are to immediately stop an individual from endangering a human life.
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