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[hollohas]

Not saying the cops didn't screw the pooch, but I still assert that BG put himself in a hazardous situation, and knew it (hence the big honkin knife).

So if you need to use your CCW, then you must have put yourself in a bad situation and knew it or why else would you have it, right?

Yes, dumb for the BG to do that. Yes, BG is a tool and should be in jail. YES, BG still has right to defend himself against attack.

What if the shoplifter was actively pursuing the guard, even after the guard chose to step back and let him escape?

If the guard steps back and the shoplifter still attacks him, then yes, by Colorado law Mr. no-proof-security guard can defend himself.

[TFOGGER]

So if you need to use your CCW, then you must have put yourself in a bad situation and knew it or why else would you have it, right?

Yes, dumb for the BG to do that. Yes, BG is a tool and should be in jail. YES, BG still has right to defend himself against attack.



If the guard steps back and the shoplifter still attacks him, then yes, by Colorado law Mr. no-proof-security guard can defend himself.

I consider everything outside of my control to be a potentially hazardous situation, so I carry. I don't (usually) carry in the bathroom of my own home, as the muzzle flash might ignite the fumes and then.... .

I'm not willing to condemn the cop without knowing the facts. It's entirely possible that the conversation went:

Cop: It's a bad day for you, I'm a police officer. You are under arrest.

BG: You'll never take me alive, coppah!!

Cop: reaches in to grab the keys out of the ignition

BG: Slugs cop

Fight ensues. Curtain falls on on scene of BG laying on the ground bleeding out...

[hollohas]

Cop: It's a bad day for you, I'm a police officer. You are under arrest.

BG: You'll never take me alive, coppah!!

Cop: reaches in to grab the keys out of the ignition

BG: Slugs cop

Fight ensues. Curtain falls on on scene of BG laying on the ground bleeding out...

If that's how it happened, then BG should be dead. But it'd still be fishy as to why the cop would go through all the hassle of making sure he went to make an arrest with absolutely no proof he was a cop...

[TFOGGER]

If that's how it happened, then BG should be dead. But it'd still be fishy as to why the cop would go through all the hassle of making sure he went to make an arrest with absolutely no proof he was a cop...

Like I said, nothing says the cops didn't step on their genitalia, but i'm not throwing the cop under the bus just yet. BG made a number of bad choices that led to his demise.

[Irving]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone could possibly work the angle that the police officer was defending himself. From the story, it sounded like the guy was sitting in his car with the door closed, holding the keys out of the window. If you are reaching into someone's car, through the window, and the person inside the car pulls out a knife, the proper defensive action is to quickly take ONE step backward from the vehicle. Now you are out of danger. You don't shoot until the person with the knife is outside of the vehicle with nothing between you.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone could possibly work the angle that the police officer was defending himself. From the story, it sounded like the guy was sitting in his car with the door closed, holding the keys out of the window. If you are reaching into someone's car, through the window, and the person inside the car pulls out a knife, the proper defensive action is to quickly take ONE step backward from the vehicle. Now you are out of danger. You don't shoot until the person with the knife is outside of the vehicle with nothing between you.

I don't think it started out as the officer defending himself. It started out as the officer attempting to take the person into custody. It's not uncommon to have to remove someone from a car to do that. I'm just speculating that's how this started based on the news story. Unfortunately, it escalated from there. But you're right...it didn't need to.

Even the fact that it escalated is unfortunate since the APD officers obviously knew who this guy was. It probably would not have been difficult to get a warrant and pick him later.

I find it's a lot easier to armchair-quarterback this whole thing as opposed to being there and making the decisions on the spot, under pressure. My office chair is comfy.

[Graves]

Yeah APD screwed the pooch but honestly...should there really be protocols to keep a two bit asshat like this around? He'd still be alive if he wasn't such a scum bag. Fuck him, we're better off without him.

/thread

[Bailey Guns]

He'd still be alive if he wasn't such a scum bag. Fuck him, we're better off without him.

/thread

Well...that's pretty hard to argue with.

[Byte Stryke]

I personally dont care if it went like this: Cops failed to PROPERLY Identify himself as a law enforcement officer.

Cop: It's a bad day for you, I'm the tooth fairy. You have a cavity.

BG: You'll never take my teeth!

Cop: reaches in to grab the tooth

BG: Slugs cop

Fight ensues. officer is mortally wounded with a toothbrush


Failed to properly Identify.



Lets be realistic, if Some guy in a pickup truck, wearing a white T Shirt and Blue jeans, pulls up next to you and yells out of his window "Pull Over I am a cop!" without showing you a badge or an ID, will you pull over?

[Bailey Guns]

Lets be realistic, if Some guy in a pickup truck, wearing a white T Shirt and Blue jeans, pulls up next to you and yells out of his window "Pull Over I am a cop!" without showing you a badge or an ID, will you pull over?

Totally inappropriate analogy. And, Byte, you don't get to decide what is the appropriate way for an officer to make an arrest...state statute does.