I'll leave this little gem here,

[Marlin]

Your thoughts,

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...y-conservative

[Ronin13]

Under Obama the downward spiral will continue... and no, FDR wasn't that great! Too bad now-a-days even if WWIII broke out it wouldn't fix our economy or lower the unemployment. Maybe if we get rid of the irresponsible CIC sure, we could try and fix it...

[DOC]

Not sure how spending more will get us out of debt. I think that he knows digging a hole to deep the best way out is to fill it in. Not to keep digging deeper.

[Ronin13]

Not sure how spending more will get us out of debt. I think that he knows digging a hole to deep the best way out is to fill it in. Not to keep digging deeper.

I don't think he knows that... my money says he's a big fat idiot who doesn't realize that "when you find yourself in a hole, put down the shovel and stop digging!"

[nynco]

What do I think? I think FDR was the greatest president of the 20th century. Not for only what he did, but for what he didn't do or become. As a juxtaposition FDR came to power the same time as Hitler and Mussolini. All those leaders chose different paths to end their nations depressions. FDR chose a path that lead to the modern middle class we have today. Only when FDR's legacy began to be dismantled first under Reagan, later further under Bush 1 and 2 and Clinton did the nations middle class start to falter. It was FDRs banking reform that lead to the longest period of economic stability in this nations history. It was Clintoon and the other corrupt corporate whores on the deregulation bandwagon in congress dismantled that with the end of Glass Steagal. This allowed for the rise of the mega banks whose speculation insanity lead to our current mess. And Obama being the coward he is has not reformed this one bit. So be ready for part 2.

To say it was only war that lead to the end of the Great Depression is to also admit that Keynesian economics was was right all along. What is war but Keynesian economics on steroids. Its gov spending not private spending that fights wars. It was that gov employment to win the war that lead to the lowering of unemployment that much. What kept that unemployment lower was successive presidents who built of his legacies and reforms. The GI Bill which gave free college to millions of Americans (Gov spending) created a huge amount of Americans who had the brain power to send us into space and build this nation to todays point. Once we stopped investing in our fellow Americans and left it up to the market alone did that start to slide. Investing in infrastructure not just roads but in people pays off in long term sustainable growth.

The biggest problem this nation faces today has to do with unraveling over 200 years of trade policy. Once we started free trade with no tariffs, the American middle class began to slip. No nation can ever long term sustain itself without a manufacturing base. If we went to war today with China, I fear we might not able to produce enough stuff to win. All war at its core is economics. Its a measure of the amount of manpower and production capability. No amount of patriotism can overcome a lack of either.

We need to return to FDRs reforms. We need to start breaking up all the cartels and virtual monopolies. We need to regulate the banks WAY more. We need to have an economic plan for this nation that makes sure we still have manufacture at its core and not Wallstreet paper pushing and speculation. James Madison left us that lesson. We stopped listening to him and created NAFTA, GATT and China Free Trade. Which I think are all unconstitutional see Article I, Section 8, of the US Constitution.

As to the welfare state causing our current woes........ hardly. If there was no Social Security our nation would be way worse off today than without. How many people could not afford take risk and start a business if their parents had no Soc Sec check. Many.

[nynco]

Not sure how spending more will get us out of debt. I think that he knows digging a hole to deep the best way out is to fill it in. Not to keep digging deeper.

You are correct....... what needs to be done is to end the insane taxbreaks. We need to return to the tax structures pre Reagan. We also need to shrink gov. We spend entirely too much on useless crap. Including wars that do nothing to make our nation stronger. I agree with Ron Paul on much of this. But not to his extreme. I think having a military that is all over the world creates stability. But we don't need to spend that much on it nor do we need to be in a state of perpetual war either.

Our tax system is so broke that people like Warren Buffet and other hedgefund managers pay less of a taxburden than their middle class secretary. We have a budget shortfall for reasons like that.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/05/01/a...uper-rich.html

In my opinion capitol gains should be taxed the same as wage labor. Also long term capitol gains should not be just one year but 20 or something along those lines. Or treated all the same with exclusions of taxing the original investment plus the rate of inflation.

Why should those who do no work pay less taxes than a Dr?

[tmleadr03]

What do I think? I think FDR was the greatest president of the 20th century. Not for only what he did, but for what he didn't do or become. As a juxtaposition FDR came to power the same time as Hitler and Mussolini. All those leaders chose different paths to end their nations depressions. FDR chose a path that lead to the modern middle class we have today. Only when FDR's legacy began to be dismantled first under Reagan, later further under Bush 1 and 2 and Clinton did the nations middle class start to falter. It was FDRs banking reform that lead to the longest period of economic stability in this nations history. It was Clintoon and the other corrupt corporate whores on the deregulation bandwagon in congress dismantled that with the end of Glass Steagal. This allowed for the rise of the mega banks whose speculation insanity lead to our current mess. And Obama being the coward he is has not reformed this one bit. So be ready for part 2.

To say it was only war that lead to the end of the Great Depression is to also admit that Keynesian economics was was right all along. What is war but Keynesian economics on steroids. Its gov spending not private spending that fights wars. It was that gov employment to win the war that lead to the lowering of unemployment that much. What kept that unemployment lower was successive presidents who built of his legacies and reforms. The GI Bill which gave free college to millions of Americans (Gov spending) created a huge amount of Americans who had the brain power to send us into space and build this nation to todays point. Once we stopped investing in our fellow Americans and left it up to the market alone did that start to slide. Investing in infrastructure not just roads but in people pays off in long term sustainable growth.

The biggest problem this nation faces today has to do with unraveling over 200 years of trade policy. Once we started free trade with no tariffs, the American middle class began to slip. No nation can ever long term sustain itself without a manufacturing base. If we went to war today with China, I fear we might not able to produce enough stuff to win. All war at its core is economics. Its a measure of the amount of manpower and production capability. No amount of patriotism can overcome a lack of either.

We need to return to FDRs reforms. We need to start breaking up all the cartels and virtual monopolies. We need to regulate the banks WAY more. We need to have an economic plan for this nation that makes sure we still have manufacture at its core and not Wallstreet paper pushing and speculation. James Madison left us that lesson. We stopped listening to him and created NAFTA, GATT and China Free Trade. Which I think are all unconstitutional see Article I, Section 8, of the US Constitution.

As to the welfare state causing our current woes........ hardly. If there was no Social Security our nation would be way worse off today than without. How many people could not afford take risk and start a business if their parents had no Soc Sec check. Many.

Wow... Next you're going to say FDR was a fiscal conservative.

[nynco]

Wow... Next you're going to say FDR was a fiscal conservative.

It depends on your definition. Its fiscally conservative to pay your bills right?

[Ranger]

What do I think? I think FDR was the greatest president of the 20th century. Not for only what he did, but for what he didn't do or become. As a juxtaposition FDR came to power the same time as Hitler and Mussolini. All those leaders chose different paths to end their nations depressions. FDR chose a path that lead to the modern middle class we have today. Only when FDR's legacy began to be dismantled first under Reagan, later further under Bush 1 and 2 and Clinton did the nations middle class start to falter. It was FDRs banking reform that lead to the longest period of economic stability in this nations history. It was Clintoon and the other corrupt corporate whores on the deregulation bandwagon in congress dismantled that with the end of Glass Steagal. This allowed for the rise of the mega banks whose speculation insanity lead to our current mess. And Obama being the coward he is has not reformed this one bit. So be ready for part 2.

To say it was only war that lead to the end of the Great Depression is to also admit that Keynesian economics was was right all along. What is war but Keynesian economics on steroids. Its gov spending not private spending that fights wars. It was that gov employment to win the war that lead to the lowering of unemployment that much. What kept that unemployment lower was successive presidents who built of his legacies and reforms. The GI Bill which gave free college to millions of Americans (Gov spending) created a huge amount of Americans who had the brain power to send us into space and build this nation to todays point. Once we stopped investing in our fellow Americans and left it up to the market alone did that start to slide. Investing in infrastructure not just roads but in people pays off in long term sustainable growth.

The biggest problem this nation faces today has to do with unraveling over 200 years of trade policy. Once we started free trade with no tariffs, the American middle class began to slip. No nation can ever long term sustain itself without a manufacturing base. If we went to war today with China, I fear we might not able to produce enough stuff to win. All war at its core is economics. Its a measure of the amount of manpower and production capability. No amount of patriotism can overcome a lack of either.

We need to return to FDRs reforms. We need to start breaking up all the cartels and virtual monopolies. We need to regulate the banks WAY more. We need to have an economic plan for this nation that makes sure we still have manufacture at its core and not Wallstreet paper pushing and speculation. James Madison left us that lesson. We stopped listening to him and created NAFTA, GATT and China Free Trade. Which I think are all unconstitutional see Article I, Section 8, of the US Constitution.

As to the welfare state causing our current woes........ hardly. If there was no Social Security our nation would be way worse off today than without. How many people could not afford take risk and start a business if their parents had no Soc Sec check. Many.

While I think you make a FEW decent points, I don't agree with you at all. FDR's plan was to spend-spend-spend and that prolonged the depression FAR longer than it should have gone on, as soon as congress put an end to it and issued tax cuts we soon ended the depression. Reagan broke it down? I think not, Reagan brought us back from a horrible recession that was on the brink of depression by cutting taxes and getting people to go out and spend more money.

[nynco]

While I think you make a FEW decent points, I don't agree with you at all. FDR's plan was to spend-spend-spend and that prolonged the depression FAR longer than it should have gone on, as soon as congress put an end to it and issued tax cuts we soon ended the depression. Reagan broke it down? I think not, Reagan brought us back from a horrible recession that was on the brink of depression by cutting taxes and getting people to go out and spend more money.

Its your opinion that FDRs spending prolonged the depression. I don't share that opinion. I think one of the biggest problems in the nation is people don't have a fundamental understanding of economics. This has been made worse by 30 plus years or disinformation. Supply side economics is a total failure.

The only thing that has built economies since the dawn of time is DEMAND. Supply will naturally meet demand. But if you only stimulate supply and there is no one there to buy your products..... it does not work. The only way supply side economics works is by using a credit card. But that ends someday too..... see today.

FDR knew that the only way to get people to buy more crap was to make sure they had a job. Any job.... Obamas biggest mistake is doing nothing more than Reaganomics and becoming Bushes 3rd term.

Let me put this real simple..... you own a business. You pay taxes. You get a taxbreak that is supposed to in theory mean you will hire more people. But you don't have any customers or even more customers or demand for your products in fact business is slow. Do you take your taxbreak and hire another worker to sit on his ass...... or do you take that money and pocket it? Perhaps you buy a new yacht. That might stimulate demand a little. But perhaps you just save it and do nothing with it. Regardless you would never hire any more people than what you needed for the given demand for your product. You would not stay in business long that way.