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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    but I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt and will go as far to assume that he was not intending a dual meaning, that he never intended the phrase to be taken out of context and interpreted as racist.
    I'm going to split with you on this one a bit. I don't think he meant it the way it is portrayed (you are correct, that would be political suicide to use SUCH a derogatory term today), but I have to also admit that if the same situation came out of a dems mouth that I might not be so forgiving. If Obama referred to us a crackers I would be first on the racist calling bandwagon, even if he meant something stupid like "hollow flavorless cookies". So, if the shoe were on the other foot I might take it out of context simply because I despise the man already and can point at him and say "see, see, I told you he hated Whitey!".

    It was a stupid comment and it was probably said without any though to it's double meaning, but to say it was a blatant racist remark, cleverly disguised, I really don't think so. But, I do understand that all libs will think so and there's nothing I can do about that.
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    basically the guy is a DUMBASS for saying what he said. sometimes its better to keep your cockholster shut.

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    Since you brought up Reagan......

    Reagan is the text book example of dogwhistle politics. His "States Rights Speech" which he used to launch his campaign was just that.

    "I believe in states' rights.... I believe we have distorted the balance of our government today by giving powers that were never intended to be given in the Constitution to that federal establishment."

    "restore to states and local governments the power that properly belongs to them."


    Why is it dog whistle? Because "states' rights" speech was at the Neshoba County Fair, just a few miles from Philadelphia, Mississippi, a town associated with the 1964 murders of civil rights workers. A town only famous for its brutal murders during the civil right struggle.

    Now was Reagans speech racist at all? Nope........ but those who believe in "States Rights" to keep blacks segregated heard that speech in a different way than most Americans.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    Why is it dog whistle? Because "states' rights" speech was at the Neshoba County Fair, just a few miles from Philadelphia, Mississippi, a town associated with the 1964 murders of civil rights workers. A town only famous for its brutal murders during the civil right struggle.
    Wow, just W-O-W. Nynco that's quite a stretch, even for you. I mean, frickin' WOW. Can I call you Nynco-m-poop? . Seriously, that's some serious right hating, left loving, hug a communist kind of stretching right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck View Post
    basically the guy is a DUMBASS for saying what he said. sometimes its better to keep your cockholster shut.
    I think HBAR hit the nail on the head there.

    I also agree with your cracker post Ranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    Wow, just W-O-W. Nynco that's quite a stretch, even for you. I mean, frickin' WOW. Can I call you Nynco-m-poop?
    Ranger the dog whistle part was not the words in the speech alone. But where the speech was given. To racists, they heard a guy who was one of them. To a normal fiscal conservative, they heard Reagan as being someone who believed in limited gov.

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    I'm still going to secretly refer to you as Nynco-m-poop though. Crap, the secret's out, but can I, huh, huh? Of course I really don't know what Nynco stands for anyway so it probably doesn't matter
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    Jesus Christ. There simply isn't a safe haven from Libtardians. Even a freakin AR-15 forum.
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    Yea, you would think that it would only be us right wing nutbags here in a gun forum, but diversity is good isn't it?
    "...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." [...a sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand.] -- (Lucius Annaeus) Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD)

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    Ranger why would Reagan go to a backwoods bubba inbred holler to give is presidential announcement speech and then start talking about states rights.... Which states rights there no more than 10 years before meant hangin coons...

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