ABC Story on CCW

[soldier-of-the-apocalypse]

emm i love the taste of shit getting shoveled in my mouth i better wash it down with piss

[Mazin]

I was gonna mention the ccw is in the same seat. I agree and have always told anyone I did the NRA Basic pistol class for, they need to get more training and never stop. It looks better on you and the benefits are life saving.

[Ronin13]

I'm with Mazin on this, and I tend to kind of disagree with the "expert" in the video, he said if you go a month or two months without keeping up on training you loose it... I went three months without any training or practice after my surgery and went right back to the range after recovering and it only degraded slightly. My friends thought I was a BAMF (mainly because they didn't have the training I did), I thought I could have done better, but it wasn't like I was some cherry FNG who'd never shot before.

[Great-Kazoo]

Video seems real one sided as they come in gunning for the CCW student every time. Really makes me wonder how many CCW holders are prior military, LE, or have more then a carry course under their belt. Anyone know of those kind of numbers?

Less than you think. I train and attend courses when possible. More training is something i stress during my CCW class. Of course i don't possess the 65 yard handgun vs rifle distance training others do

Prior military (IMHO) does not mean shit when it comes to CCW. The majority of military are issued rifles not handguns. Granted they may have received some training on them, still not to many carry them, OR are allowed except when in the field to carry one. Ft Hood ring any bells? there was more scrambling for cover than return fire, again just MHO.

[Jai]

Prior military (IMHO) does not mean shit when it comes to CCW. The majority of military are issued rifles not handguns. Granted they may have received some training on them, still not to many carry them, OR are allowed except when in the field to carry one. Ft Hood ring any bells? there was more scrambling for cover than return fire, again just MHO.

Just curious what branch of service were you in?

[TAR31]

Ft Hood ring any bells? there was more scrambling for cover than return fire, again just MHO.

Uh, are you serious? Little hard to return fire when it is illegal to carry on a military installation.

[Great-Kazoo]

Uh, are you serious? Little hard to return fire when it is illegal to carry on a military installation.

and that's what happens when you restrict the rights of not only citizens but those who voluntary joined a mil branch, to keep us free. Even with the MP's en route what was the response time before the "muslim terrorist" was stopped?
Does the military command think there will never be another attempt to attack military personal inside the US? Does the IHOP attack on UNARMED NG members and civvies not raise alarms regarding domestic terrorism, whether by caucasians or people of color?
Like my post or not i like you and others are merely voicing their opinion.

[Great-Kazoo]

Just curious what branch of service were you in?

Navy why?
i have given CCW classes to prior mil and to say their level of shooting is better than civilians is pathetic, in general. Same goes for active LE, how many actually train outside of their required quals ? Swat and task force excluded.

[Jai]

I did contract work training the Navy VBSS teams and they got a pretty decent amount of time with a 9mm. I have served with or trained every branch of service except the Air Force and I really think you don't know WTF your talking about. When I was in we shot 9mm at the rage two times a month and put thousands of rounds down range every time. Not to mention week long shooting schools and time out in the field.

My family is in every branch of service except the Navy today and speaking to them we all shoot pistol when at the range.

When people in CO can get a CCW without ever shooting a gun or having to qualify is absurd to say that military and police can't shoot compared to the average civilian. Just sounds absolutely ridiculous to compare the two. People that have seen combat and are in the line of duty and know about cover/concealment, evacuation plans, your simplest tac pro, and fire arms safety rules and compare them to the people in the video that play third person shooter games and shoot an air soft gun at soda cans is just not a fair assessment. You take any average Joe off the street or someone that served this country and put them at the range or in shoot/no shoot scenarios and my money will always be on the person that has HAD training. Even if they aren't a rec shooter they have had the training and experience and IMHO will react better in a real life situation that requires them to upholster a firearm and make a decision on what to do next.

[Great-Kazoo]

I did contract work training the Navy VBSS teams and they got a pretty decent amount of time with a 9mm. I have served with or trained every branch of service except the Air Force and I really think you don't know WTF your talking about. When I was in we shot 9mm at the rage two times a month and put thousands of rounds down range every time. Not to mention week long shooting schools and time out in the field.

My family is in every branch of service except the Navy today and speaking to them we all shoot pistol when at the range.

When people in CO can get a CCW without ever shooting a gun or having to qualify is absurd to say that military and police can't shoot compared to the average civilian. Just sounds absolutely ridiculous to compare the two. People that have seen combat and are in the line of duty and know about cover/concealment, evacuation plans, your simplest tac pro, and fire arms safety rules and compare them to the people in the video that play third person shooter games and shoot an air soft gun at soda cans is just not a fair assessment. You take any average Joe off the street or someone that served this country and put them at the range or in shoot/no shoot scenarios and my money will always be on the person that has HAD training. Even if they aren't a rec shooter they have had the training and experience and IMHO will react better in a real life situation that requires them to upholster a firearm and make a decision on what to do next.

the army started doing real scenario training in 08 since then they have upped the ante training wise.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/0...nship_050408w/

the VBSS team is a boarding team, among other things, requiring more training than the average sailor. you have your experience and i have mine. Does you "family" actively carry side arms on duty and if so are the SP, MP, AP or regular .mil? Obviously we disagree on .mil shooters, however i did not see you challenge the LE guys. Again, the Average .mil guy / gal is not on range as much as myself or others i know, some maybe across theboard doubt it.