ABC Story on CCW

[Wulf202]

Based on most of the police shootings I've read reports on. The cops need more training than us lowly civilians do.

[jrdale84]

So their so called "expert shooter student" has spent countless hours playing airsoft... because that's totally the same. The guy actually in the first seconds explains exactly why I don't feel afraid on campus - most kids think video games and real shooting are the same.

Which illustrates the second problem with this experiment - the gunmen has decades of experience and is trained to identify a threat. In the version with the girl he instantly sees the draw and orients to the threat. How many school gunmen are looking for the person drawing? I would imagine most are busy trying to find their most hated classmates.

This does prove that kids with no real firearms experience can be given a few hours of training and tested will fail - especially against SWAT trained gunmen. Had they used another student to be a gunmen they would have seen different results.

Besides no one carries just to thwart a school shooting. There are plenty of other violent crimes that happen on a campus. Even if you did just carry for a shooting, at the end of the day anyone who has seen combat knows sure - some times you just never get a chance. So maybe in that classroom the gunmen does successfully shoot someone who can stop him - but when he steps in the hallway ... what if the next CCW holder is waiting for him? If those cops are so sure about how superior they are and how no one but them could handle that situation without getting shot I just want to know why they wear body armor?

[Irving]

Didn't the swat guys know exactly who the CCW guy was every time to boot?

[blacklabel]

Didn't the swat guys know exactly who the CCW guy was every time to boot?

I'm thinking so.

I'm also not going to be wearing a shirt that's long enough to cover my knees or use a holster with active retention.

They definitely didn't make this an easy test to pass.

[frozenmud]

Thanks for postings that was a good watch. Make sure that ya'll watch part two.

http://youtu.be/rLN6_s66wTg

Agree completely that QUALITY training is very important. The intro CCW training that the student received didn't seem that great, from what they showed of the training. Also well trained adversary with the element of surprise is going to wreck shop.

[Jai]

Video seems real one sided as they come in gunning for the CCW student every time. Really makes me wonder how many CCW holders are prior military, LE, or have more then a carry course under their belt. Anyone know of those kind of numbers?

[frozenmud]

Or if the CCW holder doesn't sit in the same seat every time the BG enters the room.

[Great-Kazoo]

Video seems real one sided as they come in gunning for the CCW student every time. Really makes me wonder how many CCW holders are prior military, LE, or have more then a carry course under their belt. Anyone know of those kind of numbers?

Less than you think. I train and attend courses when possible. More training is something i stress during my CCW class. Of course i don't possess the 65 yard handgun vs rifle distance training others do

Prior military (IMHO) does not mean shit when it comes to CCW. The majority of military are issued rifles not handguns. Granted they may have received some training on them, still not to many carry them, OR are allowed except when in the field to carry one. Ft Hood ring any bells? there was more scrambling for cover than return fire, again just MHO.