Dave Ramsey on Debt

[tmckay2]

Well as I have said many times........ you guys read what you want or need to read. ^^^^^^^^^ this is a strawman argument.

I have said and I have repeated this many times. Flat tax on all forms of income. Since the uber rich have currently set up a system where they pay a lower taxrate on investment income than we pay from labor income, this will raise taxes on them. But this is not unfair to ask them to pay the same rate as everyone else. We should not have a system that punishes the middle class and lets the rich off from paying the same taxes as them. If you think that only taxing the middle class is good and that the "kings" should not pay.......... well you need to explain that logic to me. It makes no sense.

thats fine to play the libtard game of class warfare and hate the rich and complain because poor ol' me pays more than joe schmo even though joe makes more money. frankly that crap doesn't matter to me. life isn't fair, get over it. but i also have no problem having the rich lose their tax breaks and pay a flat rate, thats fine. whatever. the reason i really don't care is that it doesn't do squat to our current problem, so why are we even discussing it? thats something that should be talked about after we dig ourselves out of this shit hole situation. changing those taxes are a drop in the bucket.

is there a debate that the government is grossly over spending and involved in way more than they should be? if not, then lets fix that first before giving them more money, which really means more power.

[Bailey Guns]

Nynco, I think you just got schooled.

Now...tell me again about these "accounts" from which SS checks are drawn on. Do you actually think there is an account somewhere from which all SS payments are made? If that's the case, why was Obama recently saying if the debt ceiling isn't raised "we won't be able to make SS payments"?

I already know the answer to those questions, BTW, I'm just curious what your take will be.

[nynco]

Nynco, I think you just got schooled.

Now...tell me again about these "accounts" from which SS checks are drawn on. Do you actually think there is an account somewhere from which all SS payments are made? If that's the case, why was Obama recently saying if the debt ceiling isn't raised "we won't be able to make SS payments"?

I already know the answer to those questions, BTW, I'm just curious what your take will be.

Because SS funds were borrowed from to pay for what the previous generation would not pay. Its pretty simple. Unless you are trying to say that the US should not honor its debts to soc sec trust fund.

[nynco]

thats fine to play the libtard game of class warfare and hate the rich and complain because poor ol' me pays more than joe schmo even though joe makes more money. frankly that crap doesn't matter to me. life isn't fair, get over it. but i also have no problem having the rich lose their tax breaks and pay a flat rate, thats fine. whatever. the reason i really don't care is that it doesn't do squat to our current problem, so why are we even discussing it? thats something that should be talked about after we dig ourselves out of this shit hole situation. changing those taxes are a drop in the bucket.

is there a debate that the government is grossly over spending and involved in way more than they should be? if not, then lets fix that first before giving them more money, which really means more power.

So you agree with me that all income should be taxed at a flat rate. Which means no taxbreaks and no 80,000 page (what ever) tax code.

We can't fix our deficit without closing those loopholes. I don't think it is possible to cut our way out of this mess without crashing our economy worse than it is now.



Sharpie........ I would fix Soc Sec by making it a flat tax on all revenue. No more cap. We could lower the rate and still cover our bills.

[Bailey Guns]

Here's a question for you:

Is it possible for you to provide an honest answer without putting words into the mouths of others?

What lead you to believe I said, implied or inferred that we shouldn't honor our debt to the SS system?

To the contrary, it's my belief the politicians who robbed the SS funds to pay other bills should be shot for doing that.

[nynco]

I would ask the same of you...

[nynco]

Here's a question for you:

Is it possible for you to provide an honest answer without putting words into the mouths of others?

What lead you to believe I said, implied or inferred that we shouldn't honor our debt to the SS system?

To the contrary, it's my belief the politicians who robbed the SS funds to pay other bills should be shot for doing that.

Also what I am doing is asking leading questions. I want you to answer. If you disagree then let me know.

[tmckay2]

So you agree with me that all income should be taxed at a flat rate. Which means no taxbreaks and no 80,000 page (what ever) tax code.

We can't fix our deficit without closing those loopholes. I don't think it is possible to cut our way out of this mess without crashing our economy worse than it is now.



Sharpie........ I would fix Soc Sec by making it a flat tax on all revenue. No more cap. We could lower the rate and still cover our bills.

sure i have no problem with flat tax. that means we stop this garbage of 50% of the country not paying taxes though, too. but that still does squat for the debt problem. we can absolutely cut our way out of the debt problem, just no one has near the balls to even consider it. you can't take handouts from people that you promised them to. and the government, and unfortunately many sheep as well, believe we NEED the government in control of lots of useless organizations that the states could handle themselves. because everyone has been trained to think that, theres no way we can go back. we are stuck at our spending levels and probably only going to increase our spending since liberals have successfully infiltrated education (and more and more young people are brainwashed on the new definition of the word "fair" and "opportunity" and "responsibility" and "compassion"). increasing taxes and making small cuts won't get us out. not even close. look at the numbers. its not like we have a small problem and we need to tighten the belt a little. we are in a disaster and no one is serious about getting us out because they want to be re-elected. its sad, but we now live in a society where people would rather give things away that we can't afford to in order to feel all warm and fuzzy inside, and completely neglect the responsibility we have to keep a good budget. thats not even just liberals, its everyone. america got fat and got rich and in the process lost all ability to reason. now its all about feelings. as such, this debt problem is only going to get worse. mark it down.

and no, i don't use paragraphs on the internet.

[Sharpienads]

Well at least we all agree on simplifying the tax code.

[Bailey Guns]

Well at least we all agree on simplifying the tax code.

Speaking of tax dollars...

Shouldn't you be out killing terrorists?