Haha good exchange there.
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Haha good exchange there.
Originally Posted by tmleadr03
I'll jump in because I'm still waiting for nynco to answer the question too...What's the positive role of unions TODAY?
Protecting middle class wages, keeping working conditions safe, ensuring that people are retrained rather than fired, negotiating for healthcare benefits.... and many more.
United we stand, divided we fall. I am not in a union never have been. But I see that there needs to be a balance and unions serve as a check on the abuses.
Corrected for my point. Unions served a point when government regulations were loose, before wages were regulated and when working conditions were deplorable. That day is gone. If Kathy Lee can't run a sweat house in Malaysia without getting stoned to death then it's going to be damn difficult to run one right here. Unions were great, once, now they are serve very little purpose but to serve themselves.
"...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." [...a sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand.] -- (Lucius Annaeus) Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD)
“I regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.” ~ Nathan Hale (final words before being hanged by the British, September 22, 1776.)
If at first you don't succeed -- skydiving is not for you
As the unions have waned all of those things have weakened. So apparently the elimination of them is causing an effect. Take them away completely and you can be sure that the corporations will buy our congress into weakening those laws more.
Sorry, I can't agree with that. Unions brought these to our attention - these were the jobs that "those folks" had, now it's quite different and reverting back to that time couldn't happen. Where unions had the voice then, we have the voice and knowledge to do something about it. Think about it, if you can't have a smoke within 50 feet of a buildings entrance because some waitress at Hooters got watery eyes, what makes you think that an employer will get away with anything these days?
"...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." [...a sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand.] -- (Lucius Annaeus) Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD)
“I regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.” ~ Nathan Hale (final words before being hanged by the British, September 22, 1776.)
If at first you don't succeed -- skydiving is not for you
They are getting away with lowering wages and eliminating healthcare benefits today. Right now, today... your premise that it will not happen is proving wrong right now.
Wow. Unions brought us things like OSHA, MSHA, and dozens of other regulatory agencies that protect the worker. The unions were needed in there time to bring these things into the public. They are not needed anymore. Now I am in manufacturing and have been for a long time. I have seen first hand what unions can do to cripple a company. Been to Detroit lately?
What companies are these that you say have lowered wages? Companies will lower wages through turnover by hiring new employees at lower rates yes, but lowering wages on it's employees, but outright lowering I have not seen. I may be wrong of course, just haven't seen it. Now if I get canned from my job and there is someone willing to do my job for lower pay, that is their responsibility. Just because I want $50/hr to shovel elephant shit at the carnival doesn't mean that should be the going rate for elephant shit shovelers, if they can find someone to do it for $8/hr, more power to them.
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