2 Police officers came to my house

[OneGuy67]

My office has received reports from ffl holders about 'suspicious' people who buy a number of guns at one time and the ffl holder feels the buyer is buying 'straw purchase' guns. The buyers tend to buy a number of the same type of guns, many are the cheap small autos like Jennings or other similar types, but have also been Glocks. The buyers also tend to be not from the town in which the store is located as well. A lot of small things that would make the seller be suspicious of the person.

[SA Friday]

I think I would also be inquiring with the Chief of Police how this behavior/inquiry is appropriate.

Ok, I'll amend my previous post. That might not be a bad idea to work through a lawyer. As I said, my concern is what the catalyst was to start this whole thing.

Serious question here; you aren't Arabic or have an Arabic name do you? someone might have gotten overzealous.

Buying half a dozen pistols of the same model can set off bells too like OneGuy said too.

[Atrain1]

Hey sorry if I came off like a dick I felt like I was being accused of being a liar

[Atrain1]

Ok, I'll amend my previous post. That might not be a bad idea to work through a lawyer. As I said, my concern is what the catalyst was to start this whole thing.

Serious question here; you aren't Arabic or have an Arabic name do you? someone might have gotten overzealous.

Buying half a dozen pistols of the same model can set off bells too like OneGuy said too.

No I am of Irish decent.

[Zundfolge]

My office has received reports from ffl holders about 'suspicious' people who buy a number of guns at one time and the ffl holder feels the buyer is buying 'straw purchase' guns.

If the FFL holder suspects a buyer and still sells to them anyway, said FFL could be asking for some trouble from the ATF. Their instructions are to refuse the sale if you think something is hinky, not complete the sale and then call the local PD.

As for the OP, it looks like someone here has given you a good line on a better FFL to use, I'd call the manager at the Big R and tell him that 1) you will never spend another dime in his store, 2) you will tell everyone you know not to do any form of business with them and 3) you might tell him you question the legitimacy of this particular employees parentage and that until he rids himself of said bastard he's likely going to lose many more customers.

[Atrain1]

It's highly plausible the local PD would Arrive at your door instead of the ATF. It's more realistic than the ATF driving up there from the Denver office to determine if you are doing straw purchases. Both the Joint Terrorist Task Force and the Safe Streets task force are ran by the FBI, have ATF Agents assigned to them, have multiple other local PD officers and sheriff officers assigned to them, and they would shell this out to the local PD rep to call their agency and do a request for assistance. Then the send a patrol car to the home and make contact.

As far as I can tell from the info posted, neither the OPer nor the cops have done anything illegal or shady. I wouldn't expect the average person to know how to handle being approached like this at their home either. Cops get training on the law, how to stay within the law, and how to manipulate a situation to get consent.

What concerns me the most out of this scenario is just how the info on your gun purchases became an issue in the first place. There are a few ways it could have happened, and a couple of them are concerning. But, I do suspect which ever task force got involved, they didn't put a lot of credence to the possibility you were breaking the law. They would have handled it differently if they did. I would write this one off to a learning experience and save your money for a lawyer at this time.

What to take away from this is cops don't get in your house without a warrant or logical explanation while discussing the matter OUTSIDE YOUR CLOSED DOOR. I can think of a few reasons I might give consent, so I won't say to never give consent, but you should be very hard pressed to open the door and let them in after stepping out and shutting the door to discuss the matter with them. If they act offended by this, well, too bad (and they are playing you to get in if they act all butt-hurt). Consent can be revoked at any time. When they said why they were there, you can tell them they are off base, you haven't committed any crimes, they are on a fishing expedition, and to leave. Just be polite. That never hurts. If they do see evidence of a crime while in though, they aren't leaving. So, hide the big bag of cocaine that's on the counter (just kidding).

I am aware of that I did not even have to talk to them do to the fact that I was not breaking any laws, but I chose to and I now know that I should not have, I was going to be a police officer at one time. I am concerned about how and why they got our info, that is what i want to know.

[SA Friday]

No I am of Irish decent.

Fuckin IRA...

[SA Friday]

If the FFL holder suspects a buyer and still sells to them anyway, said FFL could be asking for some trouble from the ATF. Their instructions are to refuse the sale if you think something is hinky, not complete the sale and then call the local PD.

As for the OP, it looks like someone here has given you a good line on a better FFL to use, I'd call the manager at the Big R and tell him that 1) you will never spend another dime in his store, 2) you will tell everyone you know not to do any form of business with them and 3) you might tell him you question the legitimacy of this particular employees parentage and that until he rids himself of said bastard he's likely going to lose many more customers.

Whoa dude, whoa. Better make sure that's what happened in the first place before tossin the gas tank and torch through the window. I can think of more than one other scenario as to how this got kicked off.

[theskalickys]

I am pretty sure I know how, there is a company here in greeley big R of greeley is the only place we have our guns sent from gunbroker, there is a guy there that makes a comment everytime we go in, like oh you are getting more guns I see and he always has a bad attitude

Ok so my Question is:

How many guns do you buy? Maybe I shop around for guns at different places too much. This concerns me.. but depending on the amount of guns you bought and possibly the type of guns you bought.. it might be something that a gun shop needs to report.

[SideShow Bob]

This should defiinatly be in the General discussion section. I almost missed it down here in the handguns section.
It is a good topic with some information for all of us.

Thanks for posting Atrain1.