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    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    multiple handgun purchases and or more than X per 2 week period? requires notification to the local LE / sheriff. they have a form that gets filled out and so on.
    Without a warrant you were foolish (for lack of a kinder word) to allow any le dept to peek at anything in your house. When they came to my door i talked with them outside. I was asked if there was anything i was hiding and told them unless there is a warrant NO Entry is permitted.
    Just following SOP for my domain. YMMV
    I agree it was down right stupid for me to let them in, especialy with me knowing that I did not have to. It did not start to bother me until I started to think about what had happened. Now I dont know if I should contact a lawyer do to the fact that I let them in my house. Does any one have any idea what I should do since I let them in, should I call the store and talk to the manager, should I talk to the police chief, or any other idea would be great, should I just look at it as a lesson learned, And if they ever come back do not let them in without a warrant.

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    Personally I couldn't live in my own house in peace without finding out what happened, why and some sort of resolution. I would call a lawyer to inquire what action you can take first. Then the store, then the police. Just my .02, sorry that happened to you man. That makes me feel like big bro is watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrain1 View Post
    I agree it was down right stupid for me to let them in, especialy with me knowing that I did not have to. It did not start to bother me until I started to think about what had happened. Now I dont know if I should contact a lawyer do to the fact that I let them in my house. Does any one have any idea what I should do since I let them in, should I call the store and talk to the manager, should I talk to the police chief, or any other idea would be great, should I just look at it as a lesson learned, And if they ever come back do not let them in without a warrant.
    You Consented to Entry and Search / Inspection of your personal items, you do not have any legal recourse. By consenting to search you waived any rights you had away, that is basic law 101.
    Had they entered w/out permission and then trashed the place out with you having documentation (pictures) witness statements legal recourse could have been demanded.

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    In the last few months, I've bought and sold several pistols through local gun shops. At one shop, I was told that if I purchased more than one handgun a week, I would need to fill out a special BATF form. Since it was 8 days since the previous purchase it wasn't an issue at the time and I bought the gun with only the normal background check.

    At another shop, where I was planning on buying a used pistol after having purchased a new one a few days prior, I asked about the BATF paper work and they knew nothing about any special form. I passed on the purchase so it was a moot point but I do wonder what would've happened if I had made the purchase with only the regular background check.

    If there is a BATF "frequent buyer form" and somehow it was overlooked in all of your purchases/transfers the local law enforcement officials might have been notified by someone in the background check office of your "suspicious" activity. By dealing politely and openly with the police you showed them that you are a law abiding and legal gun owner and probably built up some good will with them as well. Now, if they are contacted again in the future about your suspicious activity I bet they might just give you a call or just not worry about it at all.

    It would be nice to know what the real details are behind what happened but I doubt it is anything sinister or something that requires a lawyer but just some research online or a few phone calls to some government offices.

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    Look at it this way: what's a lawyer going to do for you other than take your money? There was no violation of your rights, you voluntarily let them in. They asked to look at your guns and you showed them. You refused to allow them to photograph and they abided by your wishes. It was a consentual contact between you and them.

    You can contact the Chief of Police and ask him why they came. After he gets briefed on the situation, he will tell you what he knows.

    It comes down to, what are you looking for to happen out of this, with or without a lawyer?
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    I am going with oneguy on this. If you are not doing anything illegal, there is no need for a lawyer unless the popo try to do something else. Like oneguy said, what exactly are you giong to do with one right now anyway? Nothing. Why? Because right now, there isn't anything to do. You don't need to freak out till there is actually something to freak out about. Actually Train, what you did to begin with might have been the best thing to do. You complied and showed them what they wanted. You acted like you didn't have anything to hide which from what I can read, you don't. If you would have been all secretative and said no and what not, that would have made them wonder. So at this point, what are they going to do? NOTHING. Because they don't have a reason to do anything as nothing illegal is going on. Don't fret.

    Of course if you are a target of some dumb ass conspiracy thing, sue the shit out of them when they act on it. Lawyer or not, they're still going to do whatever it is they have planned if something is going down (which is more than likely not going to happen, just worse case scenario) so just save your money.
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    I'd talk to a lawyer anyway. They may be building a case against you and if you make any mistakes, they can use it against you. If they come back, at least you have a lawyer you can call. You probably won't have to pay for the first consultation, and at least you will have a lawyer. It is hard to shop for a lawyer in jail. Sounds like you probably won't hear from them again and remember this forum is owned by some police officers and subject to monitoring. They are required by law to report any violations of state and federal law they see on this forum.


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    I don't get it, out with all the conspiracy bull shit, what case would they have against him? We are talking legally here. If train is doing illegal stuff with his guns, then well frankly his ass needs to go to jail. If he isn't doing anything illegal, what does he need to fear? I think someone should actually take the time to explain before wasting his time here, like I said, no conspiracy shit here. He hasn't done anything illegal so why does he need to do anything? Seriously, all the conspiracy theorists need to say what the cops can actually do legally here because untill they have evidence, they can't do shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray1970 View Post
    Buying or owning "too many guns" is not a crime. I would have politely told them to pound sand and come back with a warrant and that they should direct any and all questions to your attorney. I might have gotten their names and badge numbers and made a call to their supervisor as well. I must agree with others that the story sounds very "fishy" to me. (Not saying you are making it up). With all the news stories about people impersonating cops nowadays it almost sounds like more of a high-tech way to case your place for a future robbery. Did you call the Greeley PD to verify they actually sent officers to your residence?
    Might be late to this thread but am hoping you saw proper ID and got cards. Call the PD to verify that officers actually came to your house and not a scam. Who knows what this guy at Big R has been blabbing to violating your privacy to both government and citizens.

    As a police officer I have never even heard of something like this and have to say I work in an area where lots of gun owners live. I would definitely speak to an attorney and find out what else might be going on.

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