Pistol In A Rifle Caliber

[Atrain1]

I'd like to expand a little, because I'm bored and have nothing better to do on a Monday night.
They have too many drawbacks to being practical:

1. Barrel length. There ain't much of it. Rifle cartridges are designed to be shot out of long barrels, they generally are loaded with slower burning powder to take advantage of that length... and there's simply more powder cause it's a bigger round (duh). Shooting these cartridges out of a handgun length barrel, you can't take advantage of their true velocity and energy potentials... which means you don't really have the power of a rifle caliber after all.

2. Round capacity. There ain't much of it. Most rifle-caliber handguns are single shot designs. I know in Atrain world, one hit with a bigger caliber is worth more than multiple hits with a smaller caliber, but 9 out of 10 dead men agree that more rounds > bigger rounds every time.

3. Slow to reload, and chances are if you're shooting something that you need the power of a rifle cartridge for you're going to want to be able to shoot it again quickly when you miss because you don't have enough velocity to accurately carry your bullet to the target.

4. The stock. There ain't one. Even if it was capable of quick follow up shots, you can't adequately absorb the recoil to put a quick follow up shot on target accurately.

I'm sure there's more dumb crap about them but I'm bored with this now.

So let me translate, I have never owned one I dont know what I am talking about. Oh yeah were did I ever say you only need one shot, besides my comment about a 340 grain 44.

[mcantar18c]

So let me translate, I have never owned one I dont know what I am talking about. Oh yeah were did I ever say you only need one shot, besides my comment about a 340 grain 44.

Great (not sarcasm), I enjoy talking with intelligent people that don't agree with me... so pull your head out of your ass and instead of saying that I don't know what I'm talking about, tell everyone why you disagree with what I'm saying. Unless of course you just don't like me cause I'm giving good arguments to everything you've posted recently, then by all means run around saying I don't what I'm talking about without backing it up... its pretty entertaining

Oh and my bad, is this better for you?...

I know in Atrain world, less hits with a bigger caliber is worth more than multiple hits with a smaller caliber, but 9 out of 10 dead men agree that more rounds > bigger rounds every time.

Guns like the FN 5.7x28 and the ria 22 tcm

Again my bad, I thought you were talking about a handgun chambered in an actual rifle cartridge:



Since you're talking about things like the FN Five7 and your super-cool totally-new FN Five7 wannabe, its a totally different conversation.
I don't consider the 5.7 (or .22TCM) to be rifle powered cartridges. Sure, they may be designed to shoot out of a rifle, but so is a .22LR. They don't have near the power that a true rifle cartridge does, and are really just glorified handgun rounds. The only thing they have over other handgun rounds is velocity... other than that, they're just another handgun caliber.

[Irving]

Why are you acting like such a dick mcantar18c? Is all this attitude really necessary?

[mcantar18c]

Why are you acting like such a dick mcantar18c? Is all this attitude really necessary?

He annoys me. He says things that are incredibly dumb (like saying that a .45ACP will drop someone as long as you can get one hit on em), and then when I disagree with him he can only counter with "you don't know what you're talking about.

[Irving]

He annoys me. He says things that are incredibly dumb (like saying that a .45ACP will drop someone as long as you can get one hit on em), and then when I disagree with him he can only counter with "you don't know what you're talking about.

That's pretty much exactly how I feel about you, but I don't act like as much of a dick. Maybe sometimes, but I try and tone it down because it is totally unnecessary.

If you think that it is appropriate to act like a total cock to someone just because you don't like them, you've sure got a lot of growing up to do.

[mcantar18c]

That's pretty much exactly how I feel about you, but I don't act like as much of a dick. Maybe sometimes, but I try and tone it down because it is totally unnecessary.

If you think that it is appropriate to act like a total cock to someone just because you don't like them, you've sure got a lot of growing up to do.

See I have no problem with you, even though we don't agree on some things you can still have an intelligent discussion without resorting to saying crap like "you don't know what you're talking about" without backing it up.

[Irving]

See I have no problem with you, even though we don't agree on some things you can still have an intelligent discussion without resorting to saying crap like "you don't know what you're talking about" without backing it up.

I also don't have a problem with you. I just think you're young and angry and full of energy.

[Atrain1]

That's pretty much exactly how I feel about you, but I don't act like as much of a dick. Maybe sometimes, but I try and tone it down because it is totally unnecessary.

If you think that it is appropriate to act like a total cock to someone just because you don't like them, you've sure got a lot of growing up to do.

Show me a post were I said a 45 will drop you in one hit and that I said you did not know what you are talking about. And if you think it will not while we are on this subject That is just wrong IMO, but I have so many guns the cops end up at my house what do i know.

[blacklabel]

Show me a post were I said a 45 will drop you in one hit and that I said you did not know what you are talking about. And if you think it will not while we are on this subject That is just wrong IMO, but I have so many guns the cops end up at my house what do i know.

When I was going through my tactical training I practiced 2 in the chest and one to the head. Now the problem for most people is once you are being shot at, your heart is racing and shot placement is going to be a big problem. So I say that for 2 reasons 1 I dont think any jury is going to put you behind bars for unloading a gun into a guy, that is threatining your life especialy if he has a gun, 2 a bigger caliber like a 45 will help if you are having problems with shot placement when your heart is racing, do to it being such a big slow moving bullet it will put the target down pretty much anywere you hit it. Now I think if you were to unload more than 1 mag into a guy, or shoot some one when they are running away is when you will have a problem.

[mcantar18c]

Show me a post were I said a 45 will drop you in one hit and that I said you did not know what you are talking about. And if you think it will not while we are on this subject That is just wrong IMO, but I have so many guns the cops end up at my house what do i know.

... again with a 45 it is going to take them down as long as you can put one in the guy.

Bam.

So by your logic:
Having lots of guns = knowing lots about guns.
Having a drivers license = you're a good driver.
Having a CCW permit = you know how to fight with a gun.