One punch and out...

[tmleadr03]

Exactly.

Thus showing how you have no understanding of what I am talking about.

[hollohas]

Would you swing? I would. Put your hands on me or mine and good luck to you. Keep your hands to yourself.

This is what you're talking about and it's a pussy move. Only pricks start swinging at a guy for a friendly pat on the shoulder. A pat on the shoulder is not aggression and only meat heads would think it was grounds for a fight.

[tmleadr03]

This is what you're talking about and it's a pussy move. Only pricks start swinging at a guy for a friendly pat on the shoulder. A pat on the shoulder is not aggression and only meat heads would think it was grounds for a fight.

And how do you know it is a friendly pat on the shoulder? Are you a mind reader? You have a guy you just called an asshole reaching for you. He could be wanting to be condescending and pat you on the shoulder, or he could be reaching to initiate some sort of kung fu grip. How do you know? Why are you letting some guy you just initiated conflict with get inside your defenses?

I am not the type of guy anymore to go around calling someone an asshole. But if that situation happens and the other guy reaches towards me the only assumption I can safely make is that bodily harm is intended. How is that being a pussy?

And is this conversation any reason to be throwing pejorative at each other? If you would like I can start using swear words when addressing you as well.


Like I said in my first post in this thread what a thin veneer of civilization we have in this country. I present a conflicting point of view and how is it treated? Name calling. What a sorry state our world is in.

[Ronin13]

And how do you know it is a friendly pat on the shoulder? Are you a mind reader? You have a guy you just called an asshole reaching for you. He could be wanting to be condescending and pat you on the shoulder, or he could be reaching to initiate some sort of kung fu grip. How do you know? Why are you letting some guy you just initiated conflict with get inside your defenses?

I am not the type of guy anymore to go around calling someone an asshole. But if that situation happens and the other guy reaches towards me the only assumption I can safely make is that bodily harm is intended. How is that being a pussy?

And is this conversation any reason to be throwing pejorative at each other? If you would like I can start using swear words when addressing you as well.


Like I said in my first post in this thread what a thin veneer of civilization we have in this country. I present a conflicting point of view and how is it treated? Name calling. What a sorry state our world is in.

So if by some chance you called me an asshole (I doubt it would get to that, I'm a nice guy ) but for arguments sake it happens, I say something like "whatever" and go to pat you on the shoulder... you attempt to strike me and I take it as a viable threat (let's just say you're bigger than me), I draw down and put two .45 HP in your chest and then one more in between your eyes. Now you are dead because you presented a threat while I was trying to deescalate the situation... Jump the gun, misinterpret something, and bad things happen. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I've been in situations where the guy didn't leave at just one punch, he fully intended to put me in the hospital (and did). Had I been armed, I would have avoided having to go to the ER and get CAT scans, and then endure being in pain for a week, having headaches for three and a half, and not to mention the bruises and cuts on my head. Notice I didn't call anyone by any names, just presented at similar situation and showed how easily someone getting bent out of shape because their "personal space" was so egregiously invaded.

[tmleadr03]

So if by some chance you called me an asshole (I doubt it would get to that, I'm a nice guy ) but for arguments sake it happens, I say something like "whatever" and go to pat you on the shoulder... you attempt to strike me and I take it as a viable threat (let's just say you're bigger than me), I draw down and put two .45 HP in your chest and then one more in between your eyes. Now you are dead because you presented a threat while I was trying to deescalate the situation... Jump the gun, misinterpret something, and bad things happen. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I've been in situations where the guy didn't leave at just one punch, he fully intended to put me in the hospital (and did). Had I been armed, I would have avoided having to go to the ER and get CAT scans, and then endure being in pain for a week, having headaches for three and a half, and not to mention the bruises and cuts on my head. Notice I didn't call anyone by any names, just presented at similar situation and showed how easily someone getting bent out of shape because their "personal space" was so egregiously invaded.

So your saying that it is easy to interpret intentions when tempers are running high and we should just assume the best of intentions from someone?

You do notice that in your hypothesis the catalyst was what? Not the name calling, but the physical contact. I am now a dead man not because I called you an asshole, but because physical contact was initiated and I miss-interpreted it. You bet my life on my ability in the heat of the moment to properly read your mind.

[hollohas]

A pat on the shoulder as described is no different than a handshake. It was clearly meant as a friendly gesture and a refusal of hostilities (hence the laughing). You said that was worthy of hitting the man over and that you would have done the same. If you continue to say that it's ok to hit a man who pats you friendly, then I stand by my statement. If you think that a friendly pat on the shoulder is a threat of bodily injury, then I stand by my previous statement. A man who hits another man for a friendly pat is no man at all.

That is the thin veneer of civilization when you can't even give a friendly gesture to someone who is angry at you without expecting them to hit you.

What a joke.

Hollohas out.

[airborneranger]

Hollohas out.

Well then, I guess that's that and it is over

I don't think anyone is going to prevail when you are arguing opinions based on your interpretation of what happened.

[tmleadr03]

A pat on the shoulder as described is no different than a handshake. It was clearly meant as a friendly gesture and a refusal of hostilities (hence the laughing). You said that was worthy of hitting the man over and that you would have done the same. If you continue to say that it's ok to hit a man who pats you friendly, then I stand by my statement. If you think that a friendly pat on the shoulder is a threat of bodily injury, then I stand by my previous statement. A man who hits another man for a friendly pat is no man at all.

That is the thin veneer of civilization when you can't even give a friendly gesture to someone who is angry at you without expecting them to hit you.

What a joke.

Hollohas out.

Ah, in that case, you are just a little ignorant bitch.

You're right, it is much more easy to argue this way.

[Ronin13]

A pat on the shoulder as described is no different than a handshake. It was clearly meant as a friendly gesture and a refusal of hostilities (hence the laughing). You said that was worthy of hitting the man over and that you would have done the same. If you continue to say that it's ok to hit a man who pats you friendly, then I stand by my statement. If you think that a friendly pat on the shoulder is a threat of bodily injury, then I stand by my previous statement. A man who hits another man for a friendly pat is no man at all.

That is the thin veneer of civilization when you can't even give a friendly gesture to someone who is angry at you without expecting them to hit you.

What a joke.

Hollohas out.

Bingo!

So your saying that it is easy to interpret intentions when tempers are running high and we should just assume the best of intentions from someone?

You do notice that in your hypothesis the catalyst was what? Not the name calling, but the physical contact. I am now a dead man not because I called you an asshole, but because physical contact was initiated and I miss-interpreted it. You bet my life on my ability in the heat of the moment to properly read your mind.

No need to read my mind- if my hand is balled up in a fist, and I reach back to punch, it's a threat. If my hand is open, I'm clearly in a jovial mood, and my hand does not come at you in any way menacing, you'd still hit me? There are various kinds of physical contact, and not all can be seen as threatening... unless you are Samuel L. Jackson's Mr. Glass and a harmless pat on the back could cause your rib cage to shatter. People do not need to be so damn sensitive, a pat on the back, a handshake, a friendly shoulder clap, etc. are completely different things from a punch, a kick, a judo chop, etc.

[airborneranger]

People do not need to be so damn sensitive, a pat on the back, a handshake, a friendly shoulder clap, etc. are completely different things from a punch, a kick, a judo chop, etc.

I don't know about that. My judo chop looks like a friendly tap and then BAM - you are down!