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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    WTF??? Are you nynco reincarnated? Where are all the lefties coming from lately?
    Not sure who 'nynco' is, but if lumping people together for asking questions and stating a few opinions helps you categorize things and sleep better at night, more power to you, friend.

    And aside from some long hair and some disagreements from time to time regarding geopolitics goes, I'm nowhere close to to being what you more than likely consider a 'leftie'.

    P.S. My favorite football team is far superior to yours.

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    OK...let me see if I've got this straight. If I believe Ahmadinejad wants to destroy Israel or kill jews it's because I'm buying "into a massive lobbying effort by AIPAC and other more imperialistic minded lobbies."

    But if you don't believe that's the case it's because you've done independent research and don't approve of the way the US conducts affairs in oil-rich areas of the world.

    Got it.

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    Regardless, maybe there is something I'm missing?
    Yeah. Credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhood001 View Post
    I'm nowhere close to to being what you more than likely consider a 'leftie'.
    And you'd know that how?

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    P.S. My favorite football team is far superior to yours.
    Probably is. I'm not a fan.
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    Found this article...very interesting perspective:



    A Lesson from Riyadh About the True Threat to Middle East Peace

    Evelyn Gordon | @evelyng1234 06.30.2011 - 10:00 AM
    All those Westerners who deem Israel “the greatest threat to world peace” ought to read a fascinating story in the Guardian yesterday: A senior Saudi official informed the paper that if Iran acquires nuclear weapons, Saudi Arabia will be forced to follow suit.
    “We cannot live in a situation where Iran has nuclear weapons and we don’t. It’s as simple as that,” the official said. “If Iran develops a nuclear weapon, that will be unacceptable to us and we will have to follow suit.”
    Why is this noteworthy? Because Israel is widely thought to have had nuclear weapons for almost 50 years now. Yet Riyadh never felt that Israel’s alleged nukes were threatening enough to necessitate acquiring its own nuclear deterrent, even though it has been formally at war with the Jewish state since Israel’s creation and has no diplomatic relations with it. Iran, in contrast, is a fellow Muslim state with which Riyadh has full diplomatic relations; they also share membership in groups like OPEC and the Organization of the Islamic Conference. Yet Saudi Arabia deems Tehran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons so threatening as to require an immediate response in kind.

    The reason for this seeming paradox is simple: Because they live in the region, Saudi officials know what too many Westerners seem to have forgotten: Israel has never once attacked anyone that didn’t attack it first. And since Saudi Arabia, for all its anti-Israel rhetoric, has not actually participated in anti-Israel hostilities since 1948, it knows it’s perfectly safe from whatever military capabilities Israel has.

    Iran, in contrast, has a record of unprovoked military meddling outside its borders even without the immunity nuclear weapons would bring. For instance, it offers extensive military support to Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza and Shi’ite militias in Iraq – all three of which have fomented civil wars in their respective territories, while the first two have fomented cross-border wars as well. Thus, a nuclear-armed Iran would be a real threat.

    Why do so many Westerners seem ignorant of what Saudi officials know about Israel’s nonaggression? For this, Western media bear much of the blame. Consider just one typical example – Ethan Bronner’s New York Times piece this week on Gaza’s agricultural revival, in which former World Bank President James Wolfensohn recalled his dashed hopes for a thriving agriculture business in Gaza following Israel’s 2005 withdrawal:
    But between the looting, security delays and corruption of border guards — both Israeli and Palestinian, he noted — and then after Israel’s three-week offensive in 2008-9 and the naval blockade, the economy fell apart.
    Note what’s missing in this description of Bronner’s: the roughly 6,000 rockets and mortars Palestinians fired at southern Israel from Gaza in the three years following the withdrawal. This rocket fire was the reason for both the military offensive and the blockade.

    But an uninformed reader would never know it: He would conclude from this piece that Israel was guilty of unprovoked aggression, having launched a military offensive and imposed a naval blockade (which is also an act of war) for no reason at all.

    But actions, they say, speak louder than words. And the vast difference in Riyadh’s response to Iranian versus Israeli nukes speaks volumes about the true threat to peace in the Middle East.
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    Make sure you read the "fascinating story" link in the first paragraph. It's the Saudi perspective and it's very telling.

    Pretty much dissolves your whole AIPAC propaganda theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy View Post
    Obama recently stated that he is most concerned about a "lone wolf" type terrorist attack such as that happened in Norway. Personally, I'm more concerned about Iran building a small nuclear weapon, hiding it in the lead keel of a sailboat and sailing it up the Potomac...don't say I told you so. See link below.

    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-lone-wol...223347040.html
    The reason Obama said that is because he is only worried about his own ass, he could not care less about anyone else.

    The Iranian leadership is infinitely more worrisome than some 'lone wolf'. The Iranian leadership has repeatedly stated that they want Israel off the map. Israel will take care of business, I have no doubts about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    And you'd know that how?
    The fact that you labeled me a leftie after a disagreement regarding whether or not Iran is a threat and what their true intentions MAY be combined with a little deductive reasoning on my behalf.

    Or is it as simple as anyone will be a 'leftie' to you if they disagree with you regarding any one issue? If that is the case, than you have me figured out. Solely you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    Make sure you read the "fascinating story" link in the first paragraph. It's the Saudi perspective and it's very telling.

    Pretty much dissolves your whole AIPAC propaganda theory.
    Skimmed it, but I'm heading out. I'll read it in its' entirety this evening. Thanks for putting it up. I might learn somethin' yet!

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    Well, let's see:
    • You've accused those of us who believe Israel's existence is jeopardized by Iran of basically being brainwashed by AIPAC and other "imperialistic minded lobbies".
    • Most conservatives see Iran as a threat.
    • You used the term "imperialistic minded lobbies". Don't think I've ever heard anyone on the right use that term...unless quoting a liberal that used it.
    • When others have opinions to you it's simply "rhetoric", even though you say you're interested in other views...classic liberal tactic.
    • There have been several rational explanations as why a nuclear-armed Iran is a threat and you've simply not responded to them or dismissed them.
    • You like Mosin-Nagant commie rifles.
    • OK...just kidding on the last one.
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    here's a nice quote

    The Jews are “the filthiest and greatest of criminals, who [only] appear to be human,” said Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during a speech last week


    wasn't last week anymore, but you get the picture.
    Self control: The minds ability to override the body's urge to beat the living sh.. out of some ass.... who desperately deserves it.

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    Obama, so full of crap it is a miracle Air Force One can even get off the ground,

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