Quote Originally Posted by Limited GM View Post
Im sure its not what you want to hear, but why not save a bit longer and buy a used quality piece? I've bought 3 lately for less than twice what you have. One Buckmark for $225.

Ive never regretted paying more to buy good stuff.
Its not about saving longer or itching to have something now. Its about having a small .22lr that does what it should, go bang. They supposedly eat up any ammo you feed them too, which would make it more affordable to go to the range.

Quote Originally Posted by Atrain1 View Post
I would stay away from them Phoenix they are involved with Raven and Lorcin and might even be part of or the same company some were down the line I believe.
I've done my research, and yes, they were/are the same basic company. One guy started it all and then sold to someone else and then kept selling or something.

The HP22 was prone to serious problems, but supposedly the HP22A has had those issues addressed and they're relatively quality for the money.

I've seen people on here that buy HiPoints the second they come up for sale, and say the same thing that they go bang. Yet the majority of people who have opinions of them only have those opinions because they know a guy that knew a guy that had a boss whos uncle had a son that had a hipoint go kaboom in his hand and he lost 3 fingers. Rumors are spread because people read something and believe it. I'm not saying that some of the rumors aren't true, its just a majority of the time thats what happens.

Another instance, people on here swear by Primary Arms for an affordable red dot sight, yet when I ordered 2 of their M3s when they had them on sale, both of them went belly up on me within the first 200 rounds (laser came unglued from the tube and would bounce around with every shot). I was able to return them, and their customer service made me want to stay a customer because they offered to exchange them for new M3s, upgrade to their M4 style multi-reticle, or do a complete refund. At the time, I opted for the refund. Phoenix Arms has a lifetime warranty that they basically will replace the firearm if it has problems. And for the price of buying one new, its a little comforting to know that down the line if something bad happens to it, like it breaks, then I'll be able to get a replacement.