Illegal Workers Have Rights...Just Like You!

[Ronin13]

If we don't hold people who are currently in our country by our own standards, whose standards do we hold them to? The Founders of our country spoke of inalienable, and God given rights. Surely you can't think that they only felt that way towards citizens of their newly built country. Especially since there was no such thing as an illegal back then.

It'd be unconstitutional to not provide the same rights to all people who are here, unless they are in prison.

When I was doing insurance claims, I used to be asked all the time about illegals. "If I hit an illegal, and it's my fault, you don't have to pay out because they are illegal right?"

"Uhhh, no, stupid ass. Of course I still have to pay them. YOU ARE AT FAULT. Legal status doesn't change anything."

I know that is not exactly the same thing, but it came to mind as I was making this post.

And don't any of you whiney bitches go and assume that I'm some illegal cuddler either, because I'm not at all. I don't like it, but that is the way that it is, and the way that it will always be if you want to be able to be proud of this country.

This is another example of us at times having that double edged sword of freedom... much like Muzzies and those really crazy leftists- as much as you hate them they are protected by our unalienable rights and you just have to put up with them... that is until there is another civil war, and we know who won't last very long when that happens!
It's sad, but Iriving is 100% correct. Just because they're here illegally doesn't mean they are exempt from the rights we enjoy. The best thing we can do is make this country most hostile to them (legally of course), but I really don't see that happening during this shoddy joke of an Administration. If I were president, I'd have fines so large that if you hired an illegal you'd be filing for chapter 11 before the paperwork got finished.

[Delfuego]

Irving is 100% correct.

Ditto on this...

[Bailey Guns]

Do you suppose US citizens illegally working in Guatemala, Mexico or Honduras will receive the same kind of treatment?

[PSS]

That's all fine and good but what happens when an illegal hits you with no ins. or gets caught drinking and driving? I had a friend who was caught driving his pickup way too fast and just about lost his cdl. While he was waiting for the judge to deal with him he watched 3 different cases involving Mexican citizens here illegally get slapped on the hands for DUI's. None of them had US driver licenses. All had public defenders. They paid court costs and the judge had the translator explain to them that NEXT time it would be worse. Just bs the double standard applied to illegals.

If you're illegal and you complain about unfair work practices, the problems should be resolved and then you should be deported.

If we don't hold people who are currently in our country by our own standards, whose standards do we hold them to? The Founders of our country spoke of inalienable, and God given rights. Surely you can't think that they only felt that way towards citizens of their newly built country. Especially since there was no such thing as an illegal back then.

It'd be unconstitutional to not provide the same rights to all people who are here, unless they are in prison.

When I was doing insurance claims, I used to be asked all the time about illegals. "If I hit an illegal, and it's my fault, you don't have to pay out because they are illegal right?"

"Uhhh, no, stupid ass. Of course I still have to pay them. YOU ARE AT FAULT. Legal status doesn't change anything."

I know that is not exactly the same thing, but it came to mind as I was making this post.

And don't any of you whiney bitches go and assume that I'm some illegal cuddler either, because I'm not at all. I don't like it, but that is the way that it is, and the way that it will always be if you want to be able to be proud of this country.

[TS12000]

Do you suppose US citizens illegally working in Guatemala, Mexico or Honduras will receive the same kind of treatment?

That's not the point, do you wish to live under the glorious laws of Honduras or Mexico? No? Don't stoop down to their level of picking and choosing which rights are god-given and which we can just say fuck it to.

My solution is very similar to those already given in this thread. Expand migrant worker quotas and fine the ever living shit out of employers who still employ illegals because they can be exploited for lower wages/no taxes. You can also add an incentive like participate in the migrant worker program for X years lawfully i.e. go home when you are supposed to, don't commit felonies, etc. and be fast tracked to citizenship.

[Ronin13]

Do you suppose US citizens illegally working in Guatemala, Mexico or Honduras will receive the same kind of treatment?

Eff no! Mexico is really harsh on non-citizens. You can't own a business and without citizen ship are relegated to home ownership for 1 year with a re-examination and maybe you can stay. They are doing things the right way down there, but us, well that's why Mex is laughing at us constantly.

[Irving]

The father & son team did a good job of convincing me that they agree with what I said, but are still angry about the situation. I feel the same way.


I accidentally turned on some liberal talk radio show on an AM channel the other day, and some liberal lawyer was calling in saying how we need to have a MORE porous border, and it needs to be EASIER to get into this country. His point was that our border control works too well, and it is such a hassle to get back into the country after workers leave, that they just stay up here. Basically, it sounded like he was suggesting that people used to come here for seasonal labor, go home, then come back again, and now they just stay.

I think it is at least an interesting point. I'm sure there is some benefit to having immigrant labor here, but with the economy the way it is, I'm not really ready to consider the point. However, if I had to commute to a neighboring state for work every two weeks, and it was a pain in the ass to cross states, I'd just move to where I worked. Something to consider.

*Again, I don't necessarily think that having a ton of people come here and ship their money home is good for the country, but that's not the specific point that I'm talking about.*

Also:

[sniper7]

We should listen to Ron White and his idea to sell a chunk of florida to Israel, buy mexico, fix it up...then flip it!

I tried to find the youtube but was unsuccessful and more motivated to making myself another drink

[Bailey Guns]

That's not the point, do you wish to live under the glorious laws of Honduras or Mexico? No? Don't stoop down to their level of picking and choosing which rights are god-given and which we can just say fuck it to.

My solution is very similar to those already given in this thread. Expand migrant worker quotas and fine the ever living shit out of employers who still employ illegals because they can be exploited for lower wages/no taxes. You can also add an incentive like participate in the migrant worker program for X years lawfully i.e. go home when you are supposed to, don't commit felonies, etc. and be fast tracked to citizenship.

OK. So it's not the point.

Here's the fucking point. We're a nation of laws. They're breaking our laws and they're getting rewarded for it time and again. Not just with this issue. They get tuition breaks, housing assistance, medical care, you name it. And they're criminals.

And we have a president who presides over a government that encourages these people to break the law. And then they piss and moan about companies that employ them as the real problem? We have a government that picks and chooses the laws they will and won't enforce. Everything is slanted in favor of law-breaking, illegal immigrants.

Like I said... I don't think these people should be fair game for someone to exploit or mistreat them. But why do we tolerate a president and other government officials, who've sworn to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the land, who turn a blind eye to criminals and actually reward them for their criminal behavior?

[Robby30-06]

We should listen to Ron White and his idea to sell a chunk of florida to Israel, buy mexico, fix it up...then flip it!

I tried to find the youtube but was unsuccessful and more motivated to making myself another drink

A completely understandable distraction