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    I disagree with irv.

    illegal immigrants should not receive any rights or protections of the constitution (and neither should terrorists)

    but our system is severely broken and needs to be fixed.

    people who want to be citizens should not have to wait 15 years and pay thousands of dollars.

    make the path to citizenship fair and efficient, then secure the borders and punish the lawbreakers harshly, and the immigration problem will be fixed.

    but hey, I think we should invade the 9 northernmost states of mexico and make them our own, bringing the full might of the military down on the drug cartels.

    reconquista my ass.

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    If we don't give them the protections of our constitution, whose constitution will we give them rights under? I agree with the rest of what you said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    If we don't give them the protections of our constitution, whose constitution will we give them rights under? I agree with the rest of what you said.
    Ummm none?
    All humans have certain unalienable rights... such as the right to life. That does not include the right to our jobs, our tax dollars, free education, and all the other bullshit they're "entitled" to.
    They are NOT Americans. They should NOT get the benefits that tax paying American citizens have access to. The only thing I want my tax dollars being spent on in regards to illegals is A) Jail time or B) Deportation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    If we don't give them the protections of our constitution, whose constitution will we give them rights under? I agree with the rest of what you said.
    I think give them the same rights as captured war criminals. They are not citizens and did not earn or work for those rights. After all I consider them invading the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper7 View Post
    I think give them the same rights as captured war criminals. They are not citizens and did not earn or work for those rights. After all I consider them invading the country.
    this ^ when my great grand father came here without papers the us gov had a great idea and gave him a choice . 1 ether go to prison (forced labor 15yrs ) 2 go fight for our friend (at the time ) mussolini for 5 years then he could come back as an american . you guessed right if you think he went back to italy and invaded north africa then waited to get captured (keep in mind he was only there to become an american) . so i guess what im saying is maybe all these mexicans who want to be here soooo bad should go to afghaninam and pay there dues before they can be americans . i think the system is bull ka ka and we should stop rewarding illegals with school , jobs and prison (yes prison , 3 hots and a cot on our dime )

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    Illegals come here for a couple of reasons, one is to work (steal jobs from Americans) and the other is to cash in with our generous welfare state (steal money from Americans). Their anchor babies get free school and medical, they ride their babies for WIC, free or low cost housing, and free medical.

    Illegal aliens are no longer simple immigrants looking to improve their lives by assimilating into the American culture, working hard to achieve the American dream. They are an invading army and in 20 years the entire southwest will have spanish as the primary language and YOUR children will be subject to the rules of a 3rd world shithole.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...aKvJ_blog.html

    What are you going to do about it? I can see that some of you will do absolutely nothing, in fact you'll encourage the invasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    Illegals come here for a couple of reasons, one is to work (steal jobs from Americans) and the other is to cash in with our generous welfare state (steal money from Americans). Their anchor babies get free school and medical, they ride their babies for WIC, free or low cost housing, and free medical.

    Illegal aliens are no longer simple immigrants looking to improve their lives by assimilating into the American culture, working hard to achieve the American dream. They are an invading army and in 20 years the entire southwest will have spanish as the primary language and YOUR children will be subject to the rules of a 3rd world shithole.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...aKvJ_blog.html

    What are you going to do about it? I can see that some of you will do absolutely nothing, in fact you'll encourage the invasion.
    what do you propose we do robert ? we cant very well go down south and start a shooting war . while yes there is a shooting war going on down there but we as citizens cant go about keep our borders safe without getting into trouble. writing congress does nothing and besides it those assholes who got us into this mess in the first place .

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    Quote Originally Posted by alxone View Post
    what do you propose we do robert ? we cant very well go down south and start a shooting war . while yes there is a shooting war going on down there but we as citizens cant go about keep our borders safe without getting into trouble. writing congress does nothing and besides it those assholes who got us into this mess in the first place .
    Hence why I say we petition to enact my awesome idea called "The Civil Border Defense Act" where the Customs and Border Patrol deputizes farmers, ranchers, residents, etc and allows them to defend the nation from foreign invaders- deadly force if necessary. What's going on down there is not immigration, it's invasion. My uncle is forced to carry a gun at all times on his ranch (and has been for at least 13 years) because of the dangers presented by said invasion- and that's not fucking right! You have the right to feel safe on your property and in your home, and for years he has not. But he has invested 100's of 1,000's of dollars into his family's ranch for the last 40 years, so leaving AZ is out of the question. These colors don't fucking run!
    Also, I propose we pass a law that gets rid of "Press 2 for Spanish/Por la Espanol marque dos," fines those who put up signs and bilboards not in English, fines companies who get 5 or more complaints that employees dealing direct with customers can't be understood because of their limited knowledge of English, and makes hospitals check legal citizen or visa status to treat any non-life-threatening illness/injury (life/limb/eyesight accepted, anything else turn 'em away if they're not here legally). Harsh I know, but for fuck's sake let's stop making things so damn easy on them and force them to either abide by our rules or GTFO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by alxone View Post
    what do you propose we do robert ? we cant very well go down south and start a shooting war . while yes there is a shooting war going on down there but we as citizens cant go about keep our borders safe without getting into trouble. writing congress does nothing and besides it those assholes who got us into this mess in the first place .
    I have no idea. Our own country will jail us for defending it or participating in the current border conflict.

    We can't vote their enablers and handlers out because we're outnumbered by the sheeple and the illegals who vote.

    I guess we wait for the tipping point, we hope for the best and prepare for the worst. When it finally tips it will tip in the direction of La Raza and Aztlan, then you'll have a war whether you wanted one or not. One thing you can count on in this war is that you'll be fighting La Raza, their associates and the federal government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    Hence why I say we petition to enact my awesome idea called "The Civil Border Defense Act" where the Customs and Border Patrol deputizes farmers, ranchers, residents, etc and allows them to defend the nation from foreign invaders- deadly force if necessary. What's going on down there is not immigration, it's invasion. My uncle is forced to carry a gun at all times on his ranch (and has been for at least 13 years) because of the dangers presented by said invasion- and that's not fucking right! You have the right to feel safe on your property and in your home, and for years he has not. But he has invested 100's of 1,000's of dollars into his family's ranch for the last 40 years, so leaving AZ is out of the question. These colors don't fucking run!
    Also, I propose we pass a law that gets rid of "Press 2 for Spanish/Por la Espanol marque dos," fines those who put up signs and bilboards not in English, fines companies who get 5 or more complaints that employees dealing direct with customers can't be understood because of their limited knowledge of English, and makes hospitals check legal citizen or visa status to treat any non-life-threatening illness/injury (life/limb/eyesight accepted, anything else turn 'em away if they're not here legally). Harsh I know, but for fuck's sake let's stop making things so damn easy on them and force them to either abide by our rules or GTFO!
    i dont think a petition will do much and thats not harsh imho .

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