Men should get a say!

[Ronin13]

So this debate came up the other day with some female friends of mine- after I quoted Ronald Reagan: “I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.” Well they said that it shouldn't be .gov's decision but the woman's decision. I interjected with "Yes, but the woman should get her male partner's input before making that decision, thus the decision should be a couple's decision, not solely the woman's." They were all over me after that telling me that "Men don't have to carry the baby for 9 mos," and crap like that. While true, it takes two to make a baby, and the man should get a say. Maybe not 50/50 but at least 45/65. If I was with a woman (long term hopefully) and she got preggers I'd want to have a say in where we go from there. Granted I'm against abortion and think adoption is a perfectly good alternative, but there are a few cases (rape, incest, threat to life) where I'd accept it, but it's all case by case. If my girl decided to have an abortion and not include me in the decision, guess what? she's getting a nice swift kick to the curb (figuratively) and I'm done with her.
Thoughts?

[DANGERTASTIC!]

Its their sense of entitlement since they are the ones doing all the "work" figuratively speaking, meaning they have to carry the baby.

I agree, I was with a girl for a few years when I was 22, she always said that if I got her pregnant that she would have an abortion, I believed her due to the fact she had done the same thing with the guy before me.

It used to give me nightmares and wake me up. What a bitch

[hollohas]

Agreed. Dad's should have equal say. In fact, I would say that a Dad should be able to press charges against the Mom if she has an abortion of his child without his consent.

I had a buddy that got a girl pregnant. She decided she wanted to give the child up for adoption while the Dad wanted to keep it. He wanted to raise his daughter even if the Mom didn't want to be involved. He asked nothing of the Mom. No child support, no time, nothing. He just wanted to be a Man and raise the child he made even if it wasn't in his plan. But the court said "no". The Dad was not given custody and his child was given away to another person the second she was born. That's fucked. His girl was taken from him forever. He had no rights, the Mom had them all.

It takes two to make a child. But only one gets the rights. Bullshit.

Abortion without the Dad's consent is kind of like that story but 100% worse.

Full disclosure. I'm a Dad and I'm against convenience abortions. Plain and simple murder in my book.

[Ronin13]

Agreed. Dad's should have equal say. In fact, I would say that a Dad should be able to press charges against the Mom if she has an abortion of his child without his consent.

I had a buddy that got a girl pregnant. She decided she wanted to give the child up for adoption while the Dad wanted to keep it. He wanted to raise his daughter even if the Mom didn't want to be involved. He asked nothing of the Mom. No child support, no time, nothing. He just wanted to be a Man and raise the child he made even if it wasn't in his plan. But the court said "no". The Dad was not given custody and his child was given away to another person the second she was born. That's fucked. His girl was taken from him forever. He had no rights, the Mom had them all.

It takes two to make a child. But only one gets the rights. Bullshit.

Abortion without the Dad's consent is kind of like that story but 100% worse.

Full disclosure. I'm a Dad and I'm against convenience abortions. Plain and simple murder in my book.

Gosh, we see eye to eye alot! I have a buddy who got a girl pregnant, she had the kid after they broke up, but she denied him any custody or visitation rights for the child (and a whole mess of false charges brought up against him), so basically she screwed him over and now he'll never know his son... I think women are more capable of insidious evil than men ever will because of that little powerful thing between their legs. Luckily most don't act on the evil capabilities... also, one thing that plagues me- similar note- is because it happened to a friend's brother. Short story: guy meets girl, sleeps with girl (consensual), girl next day regrets it and screams rape. Guy does 15yrs in prison. If that ever happened to me, guaranteed I'd be in a non extradition country right after the verdict was read (if I could get away) or I'd just find the meanest blackest dude first day in and make sure I was hated enough to be killed- I wouldn't want to survive to become an ex-con.

[DANGERTASTIC!]

Im with you guys all the way, My girl had a friend in high school, her parents were fucks and controlled her life, (everyone knows what happens when you do that) so one night shes at a party and bangs some dude.

The next day her parents find out their little "Angel" opened her legs up and to avoid getting in trouble she told them he raped her. He just got out in Feb. after being locked up for the past 11 years, he's a registered sex offender and cant live anywhere near a church or school.

I hope that bitch gets what she deserves. The part I LOVE the most about people like that, is when somethin shitty happens in their life an they ask "What did I do to deserve this???"

Anyway, I grew up with a pile of shit dad that was no where to be found, he made an effort when I was 8 and I met my 3 "Sisters" and his wife. He promised me he would call and make an effort. Again at 12, and the first time I had heard from him since I was 8, he promised the same shit and fed me crap. Not a word till I was 18 he tried again, I told him to fuck himself, now, he has 4 daughters and a son (not including me) and doesnt have anything to do with any of them.

4 years ago I got my girlfriend at the time pregnant, I was pretty happy about it. I was gonna man up at prove to myself I was NOTHING like my "Dad". We lost it.

Why is it that the biggest pieces of shit can knock every girl up and not take care of their responsibilities but someone with good intentions cant even have the opprotunity?

[alan0269]

I would have to agree that no matter what the woman decides to do, she should discuss it with the man involved. Ultimately, she could do whatever she wants without consulting the man, but she should have the common courtesy to at least have the conversation with him. I've heard stories of a woman having an abortion because she thought the man she was with will be scared off because he doesn't want to have kids, to just find out later that he does. A couple I know was in that situation, and now that they are married and have two kids, she still regrets the decision she made back then.

[Delfuego]

Men don't carry a baby for 9 months, but they are required to support that baby for 18 years....

[bobbyfairbanks]

So this debate came up the other day with some female friends of mine- after I quoted Ronald Reagan: “I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.” Well they said that it shouldn't be .gov's decision but the woman's decision. I interjected with "Yes, but the woman should get her male partner's input before making that decision, thus the decision should be a couple's decision, not solely the woman's." They were all over me after that telling me that "Men don't have to carry the baby for 9 mos," and crap like that. While true, it takes two to make a baby, and the man should get a say. Maybe not 50/50 but at least 45/65. If I was with a woman (long term hopefully) and she got preggers I'd want to have a say in where we go from there. Granted I'm against abortion and think adoption is a perfectly good alternative, but there are a few cases (rape, incest, threat to life) where I'd accept it, but it's all case by case. If my girl decided to have an abortion and not include me in the decision, guess what? she's getting a nice swift kick to the curb (figuratively) and I'm done with her.
Thoughts?

You said preggers. turn in your man card.

[DANGERTASTIC!]

You said preggers. turn in your man card.

[mevshooter]

My wife and I had our first child, a girl, 4 months ago, and it is pretty much the greatest thing ever. I fall more in love with that beautiful baby girl everyday.

I'm 100% against abortion, and I can't stand dead beat parents.

What irritates me is. Guy wants to have baby, girl doesn't, baby is gone.

Guy doesn't want to have baby or have anything to do with baby, girl does, guy is financially responsible until the child is 19 (in Colorado).

How the hell does that make sense?

Don't get me wrong, I think people need to man up and take care of their responsibilities, but what an ass backwards law. For a society that "treats women so badly" and women "don't have an equal say in the workforce or government" the laws SURE DO side with them on almost everything.