why we fight ?

[alxone]

so someone asked me what the war was about . unfortunately i dont think i have a clear definition of whats going down to say . so i answered this "well im not sure why we are there but the other side seems to think its some sort of holy war " . i just got a blank stair from them . anyway, does anybody really know why we (the united states)are still over in the middle east ??



im sure this will be a good read

[Ronin13]

Why we're still there? I would have thought that would be obvious. Nation building. I don't watch a whole lot of news- mainly because I can access unclassified reports that don't have any spin (just the facts ma'am), but I can tell you that we're still engaging enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan, the situation is not secure, and we'd be the biggest dicks on earth if we just left without finishing what we started. Besides, if we left AFG now and just said "fuck it, it's too expensive" then Al Qaeda, Hezbi-Al-Islami, The Haqqani Network, and other terrorist orgs would move right in and it'd be a repeat of 1996-2001 all over again- women being subjugated, harsh Sharia law, and d-bags like Ayman Al Zawahiri (OBL's #2- and probably AQ's #1 guy now) could have free reign, a bigger income, and freely plan attacks on the west, more specifically the US. We want security and safety in the region, but what the policy makers in Washington don't get (but a couple of my former CIA buddies do) is that we can secure, secure, secure 'til we're blue in the face over there, but the real issue is across the border (dare I say it? Pakistan) home to the ISI, who backed the Taliban and refuse to do much of anything against the anti-Coalition forces.

Once we leave the Taliban will attempt to get back into power where they will let any anti-western terrorist come in and learn the tools of the trade. Hell, it was Al Qaeda terror camps where the "muscle hijackers" on 9/11 learned hand to hand combat so they could subdue and intimidate the crew and passengers. It was in Afghanistan where OBL and KSM first discussed the plan to use commercial airliners as weapons against buildings. When you're on the run you can't really plan a whole lot and coordinate a major operation... the misconception was that OBL planned and orchestrated 9/11 in a cave- wrong, he had a compound in Kandahar where he could go where he pleased, when he pleased, and had the full support of the TB gov. If we leave now, it'll turn back into the place where terrorists go to learn the way of Jihad, then when you're laying on a sidewalk in Los Angeles with 3rd degree burns and your life flashing before your eyes after they blow up the Staples center, or in Chicago after they blow up the Sears Tower, or whatever, you'll know we need to finish what we start.

[cstone]

If history is a good teacher, then we should know that it is always better to fight in someone else's country rather than our own. All war creates collateral death and destruction. If war is inevitable, like when someone else attacks us, then take the battleground to them, so they can pay the greater cost in damages.

Besides, I would much rather have our military forces on the front line, overseas rather than depend on domestic, civilian law enforcement fighting with their irregular military forces. Wars should be fought in the field, not in a courtroom.

Just my opinion.

[islandermyk]

Cold war is over... so I don't think Afghanistan is no longer needed for a strategic spot for the US...

OIL?

[Scanker19]

So we stay there and continue to bleed blood and money to fight a war aginst a feeling and an emotion. Does anyone here seriously think we will ever be free of terrorist? We won't you can't a culture. Flipthe coin if someone came here and tried to push their values, cilice and way of life on us would you say "sounds reasonable." it would take generations upon generations to change a feeling. Look at racism or anti gay, or another feeling it doesn't go away cause you say it's wrong, but we'll continue to wasted money and lives to convince them other wise. We be better off using that money to secure our boarders here.

[ray1970]

I say capitalism. The longer we stay, the better the chances of Wal-Mart, McDonalds, Chili's, etc. opening up stores/restaurants over there.

[Scanker19]

Cold war is over... so I don't think Afghanistan is no longer needed for a strategic spot for the US...

OIL?

Lithium.

[islandermyk]

Lithium.

Lithium? Really?
So there's another theory about all this now... Not only are we after your petroleum... by the time we suck all your oil up... we'd have control of materials for making batteries... hhhmmm

[islandermyk]

Or are we after their opium poppy?

[ray1970]

Seriously.... there is probably gold over there. The military is there to cover up a serious gold mining operation and to hide the fact the U.S. government is stealing gold from the middle east. Probably part of Obama's plan to fix the economy and get himself re-elected.