Who took the Keg?! (Pawnee)

[jrdale84]

While I am generally an advocate of "pack in pack out" someone took the orange painted keg that was ~300 meters from the firing area and left the smaller propane tanks and assorted crap.

While orange painted metal kegs don't typically grow wild in Pawnee (which is the problem!) it was a perfect target out there because it was audible when you hit it and it didn't otherwise litter (like say glass or a paint can). Since most people generally are not going to shoot up something like a keg that holds valuable liquids it was rather rare and perfect.

Hopefully someone who took it sees this and I am just saying can we put it back? Since the other [truly] trash out there was left I doubt it was taken as part of a clean up and while 98% of the crap out there I am for bringing in, I think this was a good target to leave because it prompted people to not bring more crap out and it's not exactly a short walk to get to the hill it was on.

(I know Im going to get flak for this, and like I said leaving trash out there is bad, but the occasional object left behind until it's too mangled to really constitute a target should be left)

[blacklabel]

Why don't we just clean up all the shit that's out there and hump in (and out) your targets when you go shooting?

I don't get the concept of fighting for clean range areas unless it benefits you. The rangers at Pawnee have become very uptight about what your targets are and how you conduct your session while you're in the grasslands. Everything that we can do to build good will with them should be done.

[Byte Stryke]

Fucking damned if you do... damned if you don't.

[Graves]

I stuck some tannerite in it, packed all the big(ish) shit that remained. JK

[jrdale84]

I knew this would swim upstream, but it seemed worth while anyhow to say it.

Here is my logic with the Keg. Imagine for a minute that you are some college student or casual 'few-times-a-year' shooter...

If a majority of the shooters in places like Pawnee don't own spotting scopes, gongs, or other expensive shooting paraphernalia like a nice range membership what are they going to shoot at? Sure, they can take that paper target and who knows what to keep it in the wind to Pawnee and work on their distance shooting but that means after every shot in theory they will have to walk 300+ meters out to their target, see if they hit, and adjust.

Now that sounds absurd and it is. Which is why no one does it. So instead they bring paint cans, computers, and other 'destructible' garbage out to the grassland because they can see it break with the impact. Problem is ... this litters in a way that is REALLY hard to clean up.

Enter the keg. It doesn't break but like the gong makes a nice ring when you slap it with a little lead. Now instead of nailing paint cans or some Lexmark printer (yea found both of those out there) they have a reactive target that doesn't litter and serves the purpose.

I've dealt with the same Rangers and Sheriff deputies out there, and I agree - there is no reason for a washing machine to be out there (pretty sure that's what that was a few weeks ago). If there was a way for no trash to be out there that would be awesome but reality is until someone puts a public range with reasonable prices and some distance where John Q Public can go its going to happen.

90% of the time I shoot the cardboard silhouettes, paper targets, plastic pop-up targets or the clays left out there but the Keg was a nice target to have. I do bring all my crap back, collect my brass (and like that others don't when its .223 or .308) but I don't see the harm in leaving one or two things out there that people can enjoy to shoot at - its not like if we took out the trash that little cut would be mistaken for just another part of the grassland ... bullets have literally eroded the terrain. (for the record the other 10% of the time I shoot safe targets like the keg)

All of that aside, the keg wasn't removed as part of a cleanup. I know this because there is a pile of other trash sitting in the same spot - half painted orange like the keg.

I guess the way I see it - if we leave one or two things for the bums to shoot at they will eventually stop bringing their own crap. This means less overall litter.

In essence - If you leave it, they will shoot it. If you take it, they will bring more of it.

[Irving]

I think if people went and set up sturdy steel target at measured distances, they'd stay, but who is going to spend their own money to do that? Although, I think it might cut down on trash. Maybe.