The "Jobs" plan

[tmleadr03]

Businesses are leaving because they can beat a 9 year old kid into working 14 hours a day for 10 cents in an often deadly or dangerous environment and then import that same product into the country with no repercussions.
You think Thailand is offering any corporate bailouts?
you forget, I have seen these places.

I am all for companies doing what they want, don't get me wrong. but when your shit collapses do come running back to the same country you dumped for help.


as far as blame... its our fault, everyone, Government, Corporate and Citizenry.
everyone took advantage and we let our government do this to us.

We have to have higher corporate taxes to pay for Monica's dress, airforce one vacations and fat legislative expense accounts and lobbyists. Because you know its just to hard to make ends meet on 174K a year and a fat fucking expense account. We have to maximize profit margins even if it means moving the factory overseas and employing 10 year-olds so we don't have to give them PPE from the heavy metals/chemicals. Safety is not cost effective.

and yes, I am all for a minimum wage because I don't want to live with 40 relatives in a single room apartment and share a bag of rice for a month.

my point is that corruption at all levels is eating away at the base economy and the only ones that will survive is the corporate and political elite.

If setting an arbitrary wage level promotes a good economy then why leave it at 7.50 an hour? Wouldn't 15 an hour entry wage be better?

[tmleadr03]

so you are saying that when GM Ford and Chrysler moved shit out of the country because it was cheaper, their quality failed, sales dropped and then sat in congress begging money it was OK?

I didn't see Toyota or BMW asking for a handout...


someone ban me again... this place went to pot

No he is not, in point of fact he specifically stated in his post that it was NOT ok and no one here was advocating for a bail out.

As to Toyota and BMW, in response to the domestic bailouts they actually did get some from their respective governments. And health care in Germany (a big cost for a company) is subsidized by their government in the form of socialist health care. They can do this, in part, because we are such a strong military presence over there.

I am sorry to hear you cannot deal with alternate opinions easily.

[Sharpienads]

If setting an arbitrary wage level promotes a good economy then why leave it at 7.50 an hour? Wouldn't 15 an hour entry wage be better?

+1

Minimum wage is nothing but a government set price floor on labor. Labor follows the laws of economics (like supply and demand) just like everything else. A minimum wage upsets the market equilibrium for labor.

[Bailey Guns]

So you really think foreign auto companies moved their factories here outta kindness?

I submit they moved here due to government incentives that would make it financially acceptable to move their factories here and hire American workers. So in a sense, I'd say they did get a government handout...but one that works in favor of Americans.

I won't speak to the personal choices you made in your life. That's a problem you have to deal with and minimum wage doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

[Bailey Guns]

Corporations and other business exist for one reason and one reason only. Profit...to either the owner or shareholders.

Everything else that comes about as a result of a corporation existing exists to maximize profit. That's pretty much how capitalism works. In a true free-market environment a business that follows a predatory business model will be taken care of by supply and demand. They'll either price themselves out of the market or if they take advantage of their employees past a certain point the employees will look for work elsewhere. It's Darwinism of the corporate world.

If you don't understand or like that, maybe you're the one who should find a place that's more in line with your beliefs.

[Sharpienads]

And, if you don't like the way a company does business, don't spend your money there. When enough people agree, they go out of business.

The free market is a pretty simple idea, and it's not evil or immoral. Unfortunately, our government seems to think they can "fix" it, when it was them that effed it up in the first place.

[Byte Stryke]

and this is the very same crowd that was bitching about call centers (The AT&T/TMobile/Verizon thing) being moved out of the country...

[tmleadr03]

And, if you don't like the way a company does business, don't spend your money there. When enough people agree, they go out of business.

It is amazing how this does not connect with people. My mom thinks Walmart is the devil incarnate. Yet she continues to shop there. I just don't get it. If I disagree with a company on ideas or policies or anything like that I just will not support them. Hell, I do this on an individual level as well. Case in point is the Dixie Chicks. I will still change the radio station when they come on.

[tmleadr03]

and this is the very same crowd that was bitching about call centers being moved out of the country...

Well, yes. But how is that not in agreement with anything I have posted?

[tonantius]

Wow! tough crowd on this topic.

I am always divided on these issues. My libertarian side says Laissez Faire. But my conservative side says protectionism. But I think the libertarian side would be better for all concerned.