The "Jobs" plan

[Bailey Guns]

and this is the very same crowd that was bitching about call centers (The AT&T/TMobile/Verizon thing) being moved out of the country...

Ahh...no. You're not going to see any posts by me in that thread.

Besides...If I were to bitch about them moving overseas it would be because the government was forcing them to go to be competitive. Like tmleadr03 says...how does that not fit with anything I've said here? That's right...it doesn't.

[Sharpienads]

Wow! tough crowd on this topic.

I am always divided on these issues. My libertarian side says Laissez Faire. But my conservative side says protectionism. But I think the libertarian side would be better for all concerned.

How is protectionism a conservative idea?

[Bailey Guns]

How is protectionism a conservative idea?

Oohhh, oohhh...I know, I know. Pick me, pick me!

[tmleadr03]

Wow! tough crowd on this topic.

I am always divided on these issues. My libertarian side says Laissez Faire. But my conservative side says protectionism. But I think the libertarian side would be better for all concerned.

Economics is a science. This means you can use logic and math to understand and work with it.

The two main branches of economics are Keynesian and Hayek.

What we see being enacted currently is what Sir John Maynard Keynes thought was a good idea. Government control of the economy. Either through influence or direct "stimulation" via the tax code and/or government loans. In this you have a few people deciding what is best for the whole economy.

Hayek was for less government control and regulations. This is not popular with the politicians due to the power being with the people they govern. Politicians do not like not having power. A true free market is the complete lack of government intervention. Until we have a free market in money that will never happen. By that I mean banks should issue their own money, not a federally mandated gold standard or fiat money like we have now. Either of those are a monopoly and give too much control to the government. Control the money, control the people.

These are simplistic but very well done.

[Sharpienads]

Oohhh, oohhh...I know, I know. Pick me, pick me!

Uh, yes, you in the back. Go ahead.

[Sharpienads]

I don't think I have a problem with the gold standard. I do have a problem with our current system of printing money so we have more money.

[tmleadr03]

I don't think I have a problem with the gold standard. I do have a problem with our current system of printing money so we have more money.

The day a person realizes exactly how much that 20 dollar bill is truly worth is a scary day for that person.

[Bailey Guns]

Wait a minute... Are you saying my $20 paper bill isn't really worth $20? I'm shocked...shocked, I tell you.

[tmleadr03]

Wait a minute... Are you saying my $20 paper bill isn't really worth $20? I'm shocked...shocked, I tell you.

What is 20 dollars?

[jhood001]

The day a person realizes exactly how much that 20 dollar bill is truly worth is a scary day for that person.

And when someone realizes that in our current system, there can be no money without debt, and that there is not enough money to pay all debt is also a pretty scary day.