The "Jobs" plan

[hollohas]

if you can make doodad here for $5 but choose to make offshore at 1$ we need to charge an extra $4 tarrif to remove the lure to move the job of making the doodad offshore.


argue/discuss/debate

I haven't read through the next 7 pages yet (been out of town) but I agree with this 1000%.

[Byte Stryke]

I haven't read through the next 7 pages yet (been out of town) but I agree with this 1000%.

uh oh... here we go again.

Hollahas, recant now before you are berated and told how stupid you are and that the current system of state sanction profiteering is the only way.

[tmleadr03]

uh oh... here we go again.

Hollahas, recant now before you are berated and told how stupid you are and that the current system of state sanction profiteering is the only way.

If someone stated that it was not me. And if it was posted I glossed over it. Can you quote it for me so I can respond?

[Sharpienads]

uh oh... here we go again.

Hollahas, recant now before you are berated and told how stupid you are and that the current system of state sanction profiteering is the only way.

I also said no such thing, but feel that this was in part directed at me. Can you point out where I, or anyone else said that?

[Bailey Guns]

Not agreeing with you, Byte, is a far cry from saying you're stupid.

[Byte Stryke]

I Just said that to see who would jump up and say
"THATS NOT WHAT I SAID!"


and it worked




I Love you guys... I really do.

[hollohas]

uh oh... here we go again.

Hollahas, recant now before you are berated and told how stupid you are and that the current system of state sanction profiteering is the only way.

Nah, I won't recant. I'm going to stick with you on this.

Do I think other countries should have to pay a tariff for the luxury of selling goods in our country... absolutely. Do I also think our country should have more incentives for companies to manufacture here (mainly lower taxes)...absol-freaking-lutely. Both are good for America. Why can't we do both??????????

Making it more expensive to import things is the same thing as saying make it cheaper to manufacture here. It's the same damn thing.

Charge a tariff on imports to make them more expensive than goods produced here OR reduce the cost of goods manufactured here to make them cheaper than imports.

The first part - Make it more expensive to import into the US.

I think NAFTA was a disaster and has helped us get to this sorry state we are in.



Do you know what I see in this graph? The trade deficit growing exponentially immediately following the NAFTA agreement even though it was relativity steady before it...

Free Trade is BS. If you want jobs then make it more expensive to make things elsewhere. Oh, you want the freedom to move your company to China...have at it. You get that freedom when you're in the US. It's the freedom to leave. But we have no obligation to give you ANYTHING once you're gone. What's so wrong with giving our own American people a leg up?

Second part - Make it cheaper to manufacture here.

I think the 40% cooperate tax that was cited is insane. But I don't think it's the main reason companies move overseas. The main reason would be labor costs IMO. (the company I work for did this). And I believe it is unions, not minimum wage, that creates such a big difference in labor costs in manufacturing. An example: "Foreign" car manufactures continue to build more plants in the US and increase the percentage of US-sourced components in their vehicles while "domestic" manufactures are further reducing the amount American manufactured components every year. "Domestic" manufactures are looking to cut costs, why? Well the cost of their cars isn't going down...so, um...they have to cut costs on components because the cost of their labor is going up.

I do think that corporate taxes should be lowered as an incentive to keep manufacturing in the US. But if it was taxes alone you wouldn't be seeing all the new Subaru, Toyota, Honda and BMW plants in the USA. Therefore I also think something has to be done to keep labor costs down as well. Even if the tax rate is 0% it won't make a bit difference if it is a 95% savings in labor to just move it to Mexico. The free market isn't controlling labor costs, the unions are. And the unions have no interest in keeping labor costs in line with what the market will pay for the product they make.

Look, it's time we stop trying to find the one golden answer to our problems. We have a shit ton of problems that will take a shit tons of answers. Lower taxes, increase tariffs, kick the unions to the curb...we needs to start doing it all.

[tmleadr03]

Nah, I won't recant. I'm going to stick with you on this.

Do I think other countries should have to pay a tariff for the luxury of selling goods in our country... absolutely. Do I also think our country should have more incentives for companies to manufacture here (mainly lower taxes)...absol-freaking-lutely. Both are good for America. Why can't we do both??????????

Making it more expensive to import things is the same thing as saying make it cheaper to manufacture here. It's the same damn thing.

Charge a tariff on imports to make them more expensive than goods produced here OR reduce the cost of goods manufactured here to make them cheaper than imports.

The first part - Make it more expensive to import into the US.

I think NAFTA was a disaster and has helped us get to this sorry state we are in.



Do you know what I see in this graph? The trade deficit growing exponentially immediately following the NAFTA agreement even though it was relativity steady before it...

Free Trade is BS. If you want jobs then make it more expensive to make things elsewhere. Oh, you want the freedom to move your company to China...have at it. You get that freedom when you're in the US. It's the freedom to leave. But we have no obligation to give you ANYTHING once you're gone. What's so wrong with giving our own American people a leg up?

Second part - Make it cheaper to manufacture here.

I think the 40% cooperate tax that was cited is insane. But I don't think it's the main reason companies move overseas. The main reason would be labor costs IMO. (the company I work for did this). And I believe it is unions, not minimum wage, that creates such a big difference in labor costs in manufacturing. An example: "Foreign" car manufactures continue to build more plants in the US and increase the percentage of US-sourced components in their vehicles while "domestic" manufactures are further reducing the amount American manufactured components every year. "Domestic" manufactures are looking to cut costs, why? Well the cost of their cars isn't going down...so, um...they have to cut costs on components because the cost of their labor is going up.

I do think that corporate taxes should be lowered as an incentive to keep manufacturing in the US. But if it was taxes alone you wouldn't be seeing all the new Subaru, Toyota, Honda and BMW plants in the USA. Therefore I also think something has to be done to keep labor costs down as well. Even if the tax rate is 0% it won't make a bit difference if it is a 95% savings in labor to just move it to Mexico. The free market isn't controlling labor costs, the unions are. And the unions have no interest in keeping labor costs in line with what the market will pay for the product they make.

Look, it's time we stop trying to find the one golden answer to our problems. We have a shit ton of problems that will take a shit tons of answers. Lower taxes, increase tariffs, kick the unions to the curb...we needs to start doing it all.

Two words. Smoot and Hawley.

[Bailey Guns]

If you're not paying 40% in taxes labor doesn't seem to take as much of a bite.

On the other hand, certain workers have to realize at some point it's not worth $25 per hour plus a lucrative benefits/retirement package to tighten a couple of bolts on an assembly line. Many companies are getting to the point they just can't afford that sort of unsustainable pay package any longer. It's a painful lesson unions are going to have to face whether they like it or not.

[tmleadr03]

If you're not paying 40% in taxes labor doesn't seem to take as much of a bite.

On the other hand, certain workers have to realize at some point it's not worth $25 per hour plus a lucrative benefits/retirement package to tighten a couple of bolts on an assembly line. Many companies are getting to the point they just can't afford that sort of unsustainable pay package any longer. It's a painful lesson unions are going to have to face whether they like it or not.

It always bothered me in an economic sense that UAW workers made more to assemble the vehicles then people like I do to work on them. The UAW only know how to tighten the bolts on one section, I know how to tighten the bolts on all of the vehicle. Not to mention the physics, chemistry, computer programming and thermodynamics I need to understand to diagnosis a modern day vehicle. Hell, I even work with fiber optics on some of them.