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not defending or damming anyone here...
just wondering if we know for a fact what type/cal the BBQ CCW guy was carrying.
not sure if it was posted and I missed it or if its just been assumed.
I was wondering that myself. And I would also would like to know about the AK. Was it SA or FA? did it belong to the guy using it legally or was it stolen?Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
Don't know the answers, but I'd say its a safe bet that it's a semi-auto and he stole it.
If it was a select-fire, he there would likely be a much higher body count... why select targets when you can mow them all down?
If he legally owned it, the lefties would all be screaming more than they normally do about how all of us gun nuts are lunatics and blah blah blah.
I could be wrong though.
Whatever they BBQ guy was carrying, there's no excuse to not have a carry piece capable of getting the job done.
Is this a joke?
Getting what job done? I carry a glock19 with an x300. There are a number of jobs that it's not capable of getting done.Whatever they BBQ guy was carrying, there's no excuse to not have a carry piece capable of getting the job done.
No one has a crystal ball. People don't get to schedule gun fights in the civilian world or predetermine what the circumstances surrounding the event might be.
Mick-Boy
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and I know plenty of people that carry .25 .32.and .380 that would not be optimal for such a fight.
these calibers are geared more towards close range defensive.
as I Said, I'm not trying to "Go Anywhere" with it.
Just a simple question
The guy in the IHOP shooting wasn't targeting anyone specifically, he was going for body count (as is the norm for these "active shooter" scenarios). If he had a select fire weapon, why wouldn't he just spray at the folks in IHOP? As has been pointed out by other folks here, these guys get most of their firearms experience from video games, its not like he's going to put a short burst into target A and then repeat with target B when he can go full auto.
So no, I wasn't joking.
Get the job done of stopping the threat. IMO if a carry gun isn't capable of effectively stopping a threat behind cover (shooting through a car door and then into the attacker, for example), then it isn't suitable to carry. No, a 9mm isn't too small for this... a .25ACP is.
Well....nevermind.
"There are no finger prints under water."
A full auto weapon isn't a fire hose and there's always more air than meat. Someone who "just sprays at folks" is much more likely to have a lower body count than a higher.
We went through this in the 9mm vs. 45 thread but I'll say it again here. Pistols suck as fight stoppers. Nothing that is man portable can stop a threat guaranteed.Get the job done of stopping the threat. IMO if a carry gun isn't capable of effectively stopping a threat behind cover (shooting through a car door and then into the attacker, for example), then it isn't suitable to carry. No, a 9mm isn't too small for this... a .25ACP is.
Shooting a threat behind cover is a job for a rifle and a good barrier blind projectile.
For that matter, shooting a threat at 65M is a job for a rifle too.
Armchair quarterbacking a fight is gay.
Mick-Boy
"Men who carry rifles for a living do not seek reward outside the guild. The most cherished gift...is a nod from his peers."
nsrconsulting.net
That is exactly why I wanted to know about it being his legally, I wanted to see how long it was before everyone started talking about the evil Assault Rifle. And for the FA question I would wonder as to why he did not kill more people, and if he was dropped by someone with a CCG what would be the likely hood of a few rounds getting squeezed out of the AK. I went out to Pawnee and shot @ a 3 liter bottle about 45 to 50 yards out with one of my carry guns 38 special with 2 inch barrel, also had the one I built with a 4 inch barrel (wasted alot of ammo with that one) any way I hit it maybe 10 times out of 100 rounds half of those were wasted in my very inaccurate 4 inch 38. I would not take that shot with my P3AT butt I still carry it. I dont carry it to make long range shots I carry it to protect me and my family when we are out. I would have to be forced into pulling it. the last altercation I got into I had some Gang members start some crap with me and a friend of mine over their kids throwing rocks at his custom painted Motorcycle. my buddy whent over to talk to the parents and it got way out of hand, there was 3 of them and 1 of my friend, so I walked over had my 1911 in a IWB holster and one of the guys had a beer bottle full he thought he was going to hit me with, the other had a baseball bat. To make a long story short I never pulled my gun so no one got shot, I used my head and got everyone to calm down and talk about what was going on. now I could have very well pulled my gun and ended it a different way being that I was trying to protect a friend, but I did not feel the need to. Now most of the time you do not get a chance to talk your way out of things, but my point is you dont pull unless you absolutely have to.
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