Train!

[jhood001]

Lets see you post your Age Mccanter.

No need. He's 20 years old. Which raises into question a particular story he told where he was CCing.

[palepainter]

[mcantar18c]

Personal attacks? Seriously?
Pretty low, don't ya think?

I've spent a significant amount of my money, sweat, and occasionally blood on training with firearms, knives, H2H, and everything inbetween.
Practice what you preach... those who don't deserve no respect, and I have no intentions of becoming what I despise the most (a hypocrite).

Now back to your regularly scheduled bitchfest.

[Great-Kazoo]

Personal attacks? Seriously?
Pretty low, don't ya think?

I've spent a significant amount of my money, sweat, and occasionally blood on training with firearms, knives, H2H, and everything inbetween.
Practice what you preach... those who don't deserve no respect, and I have no intentions of becoming what I despise the most (a hypocrite).

Now back to your regularly scheduled bitchfest.

Nothign i posted would be considered a "personal attack"
You have been called out by me in 2-3 post asking what your pedigree is. No answer from you stating age etc.
I called your Bullshit and no reply. That speaks volume to your background and life history. Step up to the plate and answer my inquiry.Hell pm me and i will not make it public if for some reason you are undercover LE.
Your mouth / keyboard wrote a check you cannot cash.

I would ask the mods to lock this 20 something page post as it will (IMHO) deteriorate way off the OT, some of the post by me included.

[mcantar18c]

I would ask the mods to lock this 20 something page post as it will (IMHO) deteriorate way off the OT, some of the post by me included.

This is why I'm not responding to that crap... though I'd say its already gone way off track. If you want to know something about me, you can PM me. This thread is about the importance of training, using TWO examples that showed both sides of the spectrum, with the purpose being to encourage people that carry to get as much training as they can so that they don't end up finding themselves incapable of doing something that they otherwise might have with the proper training.

As for locking it, if a mod would like to that's up to them, but I see no reason to request that.

[Irving]

Mcantar, you should really watch the Ohio video before you keep talking about it.

Here is the only version I can find. They cut out the fight. I saw the original on here.



As to the lady, if the guy is OUTSIDE, then she isn't in danger from him. Just because he's pounding on the door, doesn't mean he is close to getting in.

Now, in the interest of being fair, I've delivered to some places that have a door so thin, that a single kick would take the whole door down. Perhaps she had one of those shower grade doors and it was only seconds before he was through.

[mcantar18c]

Mcantar, you should really watch the Ohio video before you keep talking about it.

Here is the only version I can find. They cut out the fight. I saw the original on here.


As to the lady, if the guy is OUTSIDE, then she isn't in danger from him. Just because he's pounding on the door, doesn't mean he is close to getting in.

Now, in the interest of being fair, I've delivered to some places that have a door so thin, that a single kick would take the whole door down. Perhaps she had one of those shower grade doors and it was only seconds before he was through.

I've seen the video of the Ohio incident. Hard to see what goes on with the roof support in the way, but that quote and link I posted was from the guy involved, and the article I read about it back when it happened had a witness account that also said they were trying to pull him out of the car.

I listened to the recording of the 911 call made by the lady. Armed man outside the glass door, trying to break in, was about to break down the door with a patio chair she had outside when she pulled the trigger. Early on in the conversation the lady says something along the lines of "Ma'am, I don't want to shoot this man, dear God I do not want to shoot him, but I will if I have to." 911 operator responds with "You are within your rights to shoot him if you fear he will get in." Cops were already on the way but of course didn't get there in time.

[Bailey Guns]

A slightly off-topic note:

There is precedence in CO for shooting someone outside the home, prior to them making entry, and having it be ruled a Make My Day shooting.

The Colorado Supreme Court has ruled that a front porch is including in the definition of a "dwelling" and people have a right to defend themselves there just like it was in the home.

In a Weld County case, Hammock was upset over his dog being shot with a pellet gun. He suspected Griffin. Hammock armed himself with a 3' long 2x2 and confronted Griffin at Griffin's home. They argued through the door. At some point Hammock used the piece of wood to break a window in the door and Griffin shot him in the chest with a 12 gauge round. Hammock died. Griffin was arrested for 2nd Murder but released after the investigation. The DA cited the MMD law and brought up the fact the Co Supreme Court had previously ruled a front porch was part of the dwelling.

[cofi]

Mcantar, you should really watch the Ohio video before you keep talking about it.

Here is the only version I can find. They cut out the fight. I saw the original on here.



As to the lady, if the guy is OUTSIDE, then she isn't in danger from him. Just because he's pounding on the door, doesn't mean he is close to getting in.

Now, in the interest of being fair, I've delivered to some places that have a door so thin, that a single kick would take the whole door down. Perhaps she had one of those shower grade doors and it was only seconds before he was through.

in that video i would think that person could have just put the car into drive and get away

[BigMat]

Not to beat a dead horse but I've been out of town-

...Gabe Suarez/Warrior Talk...

Might be worth your watching - His own words.

he may know TOO much about active shooters with an AK and is obviously too quick to go to guns.

Note- Firearms instructor, who planned on murdering a lot of trained and armed men (that he was already defrauding, plead guilty to it) with pistols. HE took an AK and planned on winning, consider the tactics of your teacher.


Also, CCW guy was under fire from the shooter, no suprise shot, and the situation is impossible to legally duplicate.