Quote Originally Posted by mcantar18c View Post
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I disagree with most of what you said, so I saved some space instead of going line by line.

No training ever, fully prepares a person for the big show, I don't care how good it is.

You can run and jump and shoot under stress all you want, NO ONE has ever become a combat veteran by volume of training alone. And I have seen people train their asses off, and then fall flat the first time its time to go. Mind set is serious, but from my experience its something you have, not something you can get, and the only way to know, is to find out by being there. For example, I worked with a guy once, trained for nearly a year in medicine, took a combat medic class. We drive up to our first MVA together, he sees a fair bit of blood, bam, I've got two patients because cap't training just took a nose dive/ out cold. It was awesome! He quit the next day.


The reason I said one shot, is after the first report reaches his ears, unless the bullet passes between them first, he's shooting back, and all advantage you had is gone.

As to hip shots due to armor, I've seen one before, it caused neither tremendous blood loss or immobilization, it could, but not always. Again, pistols can't make promises.

Why didn't he move, no idea, I wasn't there. There could have been one harley between him and the IHOP. and concealment doesn't stop bullets, by definition, especially 30/60/90/120 of them. Sure trucks are big, but they are mostly volume that bullets can pass cleanly through.

As to taking him down to defend your customers, I think he was in a good postion to defend them as well, that's why he was best to keep his butt alive, hidden and parked.


I know I would sleep well every night of my life, (and I have vested my life's work to saving other people, and I have hung by butt out there a time or two to prove it) because what happened in that shooting was the shooters doing, and the defense of me and mine falls to me and mine, not to some guy in a BBQ joint across the lot. The people in IHOP didn't carry where legal to do so, why aren't we talking about them?