Train!

[BigMat]

Everybody has a different opinion on these things, but I see no reason that a 65 yard shot should be out of the question as far as one's abilities with their carry weapon.


I disagree. Not having the skillset to effectively engage and stop a threat completely negates the idea of carrying a weapon. Ability without skill is pointless, skill without ability is useless.

Again, even IF you could get a hit, you have a pistol- that means nothing, I don't know how many people you have seen shot, a hit at 65 yards with a handgun could mean very little, as in he may not even know he's been shot. As for the "shoot to the ground." Much easier said than done, as you now have a shrinking, and moving, all be it down, target at long range. Multiple center mass hits, with a CCW pistol, rapidly, on a two way range, while moving, against a moving target, at this distance, I don't buy it. Not for a second. I've taken 100 yard shots with a Glock 19 and pushed it farther with a 1911, I have put thousands of rounds through these handguns, both are large for carry guns and in neither would I be wild about taking the shot unless forced. I cannot expect a guy who may have a Ruger LCR to try the same, and need to get it right the first time.

You forget every time that you are facing a very well armed, presumably trained adversary with a ton of ammo and nothing to lose.

as to the guy on the bus, his max range was maybe 6 yards based on your story, that's a far cry from 67 yards. Second point, his first action was running away in your story, not a bad call. He accidentally wound up in a crappy situation and came out on top, if Carson Shooter walked into the BBQ joint and CCW guy shot him, then these stories are the same, Carson Shooter never got near the CCW guy.


If CCW guy had a Rem 700 and some glass, take the shot, rock on, but with a CCW gun, forget the training, he could be a Ninja, he's done if he tries. 6-8 MOA on a perfect day, maybe 8 try's, 1 maybe 2 before youre getting shot to bits, and even if he hits, no promises it might not even put the shooter down, no way, he did the right thing


Finally, if I was him, I would be sound asleep right now and for the rest of my days, knowing "Mission Accomplished," he went home to his wife and kids safe and he can still put food on the table. This time, he made the right call, you can't save everybody, but you can kill yourself trying.



This may explain it better than I can-

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.



You may need to work on serenity training!



I don't mean to rant, but this dude may be eating himself up, and the last thing we as shooters need to do is pick apart the actions of a man we don't know, in a situation we cant understand, facing a threat we never saw. It gets us nowhere, it gets him nowhere, it gets our rights nowhere. The issue here is more people could have helped if they had guns in the IHOP and that the shooter shouldn't of had a gun! Not that some man lawfully protecting himself didn't go full-ninja enough to please the internet.