Train!

[Ronin13]

Jumping in a little late... but I have a question:
Who here honestly trains for that one in a thousand situation where you'll engage a target beyond 25M? 25M is the max range I train for with a pistol. Why? 90% of all shootouts happen within 25 feet. Do you guys realize how far 100M actually is? It's a bit longer than an NFL football field. Go to your local high school, stand in one endzone and look at the other, or have your friend stand in the other. See how small he is? I never train for engaging a target at that range with a pistol. Sure I can make steel sing at 600M with a 5.56mm AR- but the target is about 65% the size of a fullsize man! I guess all the superman hero types here would attempt to put down a threat at 65+ meters, but I don't plan or train for that particular situation and really see no need to. The #1 and 2 situations I train for is the thug with a knife trying to take my wallet or car and he's at about 2-10 feet. I don't train for a situation that would either A) get me fucking shot, or B) get me fucking shot a lot. I'm not sure about you guys, but the first time I handled an AK-47, it was not sighted to my eye, I had very little formal training on it (as this was the first formal training), and I hit damn near perfect every time. It's an easy weapon, point and shoot. You take a .40 pistol vs a AK-47, I don't give a shit if you're a 20 year veteran of SEAL Team 6 with over 2500hrs in the kill house with your Sig, at 65M the guy with the rifle has a far superior advantage, even if you manage to hit him you're coming under fire and you better hope whatever deity you worship likes you that day. Don't mean to be a dick, but I've trained for combat situations using weapons that range from a 50 Cal crew served weapon at 1000M, to a combat 9mm pistol at 15M, and I can tell you I'd rather not engage a target at over 35M with a pistol, and I don't plan on training for that long shot situation. It goes against my thinking. Why would I use my AR to try to engage a target beyond it's maximum effective range? Just to prove I'm a bad mofo? I leave that shit to Hollywood.

[Byte Stryke]

you guys are SOOOOO Asking for Atrain to pull out his GSG1911 with the Trijicon long range 5-20x50 sniper scope and school you in how its done...

he shoots pop cans at 100 yards and hits everytime




sorry... I had to

[Bailey Guns]

No...he really does.

[TFOGGER]

Solution: Keep a rifle ready to go. 65m headshot with a scoped rifle, from cover, easy. Or call in an airstrike.

[Ronin13]

Solution: Keep a rifle ready to go. 65m headshot with a scoped rifle, from cover, easy. Or call in an airstrike.

Ah the old Cav Scout mantra: If all else fails call in arty!

[Bailey Guns]

Or call in an airstrike.

Sharpienads...where are you?

[Irving]

What if the 2 top back in the corner has already been waiting 15 minutes for their pulled pork sandwiches? Holster your gun hotshot, and get my damn food out here, I've only got 45 for lunch!

[Atrain1]

I honestly dont think any of us would have taken that shot I dont care what everyone says and most of you agree, I would bet some would second guess with a Rifle, I dont know how many of you have been shot at but it is not my idea of fun, it is downright scary and if you disagree you either dont care about your life or are just not smart or have never been in that situation. Also unless you have been in a situation were you have had to fight for your life you have no idea what you are capable of you can think all you want but will never know. I have seen so many people talk about taking a human life and not lose any sleep that night, you have no idea what you are talking about, it is a very hard thing to do and will mess with you for the rest of your life no matter what the reason is if indeed you can do it, we were not made to kill each other if it does not mess with you than you are not right in the head, when you have someones head in your crosshairs and your finger on that trigger I would really like to see how many of you would really pull it.

[Zundfolge]

If nothing else we should practice at some extreme distance with our carry pieces because it looks like fun.




Again, I don't blame the guy for not taking the shot (Especially at 65 yards) but my earlier point is that you don't have to pull off a 1-shot-kill headshot from that range, you just need to convince the guy to stop shooting at innocent/unarmed people. If that means he turns his gun in your direction, that will suck but its going to be harder for him to hit you than the people 5 feet away from him.

[Mick-Boy]

I've got some steel IPSC targets (ABC zones). I'll bring them out and we can pepsi challenge this bad boy.