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[mcantar18c]

I'm confused.

How do you elbow someone in the trachea, wait around for 20 minutes for the flashing lights to arrive, and not know whether the guy lived or not? Seems to me, the authorities would be spending a lot of time with you whether he survived or not, especially if it was at your business.

I'm raising the BS flag but will freely admit that since I wasn't there, I don't have all the facts. But the story doesn't seem plausible to me.

And you don't draw a weapon to kill somebody; you draw it to stop the threat. PERIOD. While that may mean taking a life, it also may not. Talk like automatically taking the life of someone if you draw your pistol will get you in lots of trouble. I suspect a jury wouldn't be very kind to you if they knew you said something like that, even if the shoot was justified.

That's why I said earlier that some of these posts scare me.

Tough talk is easy.

It was a big (60+ people) chaotic brawl. A female on "our side" got caught up in the middle of everything, I watched some fuck punch her in the head and she went down. The only thing on my mind was to get to here and get her out of there. I'm pushing my way through everything, and there's guy holding the neck of a broken bottle directly in my way looking right at me. I reacted (actually, this could be considered reverting to my training, as we'd been working heavily on elbows that week in Krav), and he grabbed his throat and went down. Kept pushing my way to the girl, dragged her into the corner and stood over her absorbing blows until a buddy helped get us back into the door and into the back room, where I spent the rest of the time getting her fixed up. How the guys on the "other side" fared after I had interacted with them was none of my concern.
Of course I had to give a statement to the police, but I didn't sit there going "Yeah I crushed that guys trachea, might have broken that one's jaw, might wanna check this one for a concussion..." just gave a basic overview of how things went down and asked if there was anything I could help with.
I don't care what happened to the guy, and I don't see any reason why I should or why it should bother me. He had a weapon in his hand and would have used it, it was me or him and I got to go home to my girlfriend that night. Not to mention that the girl I was after had heart issues and wouldn't have made it had she been left laying there unconscious being kicked and whatnot, according to the EMTs.

I guess you draw your weapon to intimidate people then? My goal is to stop the threat, and I have plenty of methods in my toolbox available to me to do so. If I've exercised every other option available to me then I'm left with no choice but to kill in order to stop the threat, and if I have a weapon I will use it to do so. If I didn't have to... if there was any other way... I wouldn't have drawn my weapon, be it a gun, knife, or anything else. If I do draw a weapon, its because killing is required. If they happen to back down at the sight of that weapon, great, but I'm not drawing it to scare them away.
To put it simply...
If I didn't have to kill, I wouldn't have drawn a weapon.
If I draw a weapon, its because killing is my only option left.

I've already asked this same quest a few pages ago. I want money on it to make it worth my while. No takers on that either. Anyone up in NOCO up for this??

Uhh.....

With all the tough or as some see it MANdatory actions be taken talk, No One has taken me up on the 2 targets and betting drill, very disappointed. Surely someone would have stepped up instead of sitting on the sidelines without doing anything.
$10 per round 2 rounds max. i'll up it to $20 per round 2 rounds max. lets put some money where our bragging rights go.

I agreed to it...
While it would be much easier with the setup I'm getting soon, we don't need to wait till then.